To passive not pushing turn?

300bb effective

Hero raise AsTsQhJc EP. MP Calls

Flop QcJh5s
Hero bet 6,6bb
MP raise to 17bb

Hero call
Turn 7s

x to MP who bets 44bb into 55bb

Your not a pussy pussy can't type because they do not have brains.. it depends really good f you feel like pushing your hoping opponent has a hand like 8910j instead of set but blah blah I would orob raise double the bet and if blank hits turn he might fold to a 200bb bet plus you got top two I guess raise pot more than call vs a set you have good outs on avg about 14 outs I rather find out and double the bet though but you could call or pot depends on other stuff besides the cards somewhat to

It depends. What was your plan if a blank river comes, say the 2h, and villain pots it?

I'd just call

Having only the gutshot and nfd gets you close enough to having direct odds, not to mention all your outs are to the nuts, which gives you implied odds, of course, putting you in a situation where you can know that calling is at least +ev; while we can discount some sets of jacks, I don't much like discounting top set when we're this deep and villain has plenty of incentive to try to build a pot aggressively and early. While there are definitely a few hands, of which a few we block, that are behind us but will call a big raise on the turn, if our plan is to get our hand in for value, we need him to have a bunch of KQJT style hands or similar, against which we're pushing a very small edge anyway.

The beauty of knowing that you don't need to make much money on the river from better flopped hands than yours in order to justify the implied odds to call also means you don't need to make any plans for any rivers. That's valuable mental real estate and our plan does not hinge on knowing in advance which rivers we will call down on or how big we're going to vb; optimal resource management means we see how strong our hand is, see our odds, and how much money there is left to play, we call and see a river and play them all accordingly. We don't need to think about whether villain will quad-barrel us enough without a set until we face a big river bet on the rivers we miss.

Interesting spot this deep, I would call turn as played and call most rivers.

A,k,5 trcikiest rivers and maybe we are supposed to fold some of them.

OP, you are going to have to re-think playing deep if cards this nice matched with this flop and turn are this much of a concern for you. Granted that playing deep out of position is difficult, but this was as nice a flop and turn as you could expect to normally hit.

Given where you are right now, let me give you an alternate way to play this hand. Start off with a question. What position has the tightest cold calling range? The MP. So you EP open raise and get called by a very tight MP cold calling range. Then the flop comes 2 broadway cards. This board screams it hit the MP’s range. You can say it hits your range too, but you are the one out of position (and currently having some trouble playing out of position deep).

You can check this board 100% of the time with the game plan of check-raising when you have top set or middle set. With top set check-raise them all no backup needed. With middle set it requires backup and on this board the backup would be a straight draw.

Also people use the phrase “xxxbb effective” wrong at times especially when deep. This is POT limit. If you check-call on the flop, turn and river, then the maximum that the villain can get into the pot by the river is less than 300bb. Therefore you are not technically 300bb effective unless at some point to make a post-flop bet that the villain can raise. This is ****ing important, I hope it makes sense.

Unless villain is whale or spaz lag think check calling is the play.

There is a lot of talk about solvers, but humans can still play poker damn well with some SPR love. Deep stacks are great uses of stack to pot ratio (SPR) to illustrate that Villain can only get so much money into the middle on their own in a pot limit betting structure, especially heads up on the flop.

Below are 3 examples of different SPR in a heads up $100 pot on the flop.

SPR 1, if there is $100 in the pot on the flop, and we have $100 effective stacks, then there is enough money left to make exactly one pot-sized bet.

SPR 4, if we have $400 stacks, then there is enough to make $100 pot-sized bet and a pot-sized raise to $400; alternatively, if we make a pot-sized bet on the flop and get one caller, then we have enough to make second pot-sized bet ($300) on the turn all-in.

SPR 13, if we have $1,300 stacks, there is enough money to make a $100 pot-sized bet, a pot-sized raise to $400, and a pot-sized re-raise all-in for $1,300 total; this is also enough to bet the pot on the flop and get a single caller, bet the pot on the turn and get called again, and then make one last pot-sized bet on the river all-in.

If Hero check-calls the flop, turn and river, then the most that Villain can get into the middle is an SPR 13. It is important that this concept sinks in. If at the start of a heads up flop, the Hero figures out the SPR and it is SPR 40 or something very deep, that deep money above SPR 13 is not at risk unless Hero makes a bet or a raise at some point during the hand.

In this thread, Hero flopped top two pairs (which is not a monster big pot hand) out of position on a board that hits the Villain’s range. At SPR 1 or SPR 4 you can get it in gladly, however,

Hero should have most likely checked the flop at an SPR above SPR 13.