Playing at the luckia in bogota, colombia, 2/4 PLO.

I play well, almost always leave sessions in profit, but I'm losing lot of bankroll shoving aces pre.
This happens a lot, not just this session, and I pretty much never shove unsuited aces.

The table is extremely loose IE they have no problem shoving bottom two pair or a J high flush draw on flop.

This occurred in span of 2 hours. Hero 100bb effective and villains cover me each time.

all three hands I 3 bet in cutoff/button, and villain 4 bets to around 50 bb, I shove. 3 different villains.

Hero: As Ad 8s 7c

Villain shows Qd Jd 8c 6h


Hero: Ah Ad 5h 5c

Villain shows Kd Kc Jh 10c


Hero: Ad Ac Kd Qh

Villain: 9h 8h 6d 5c


I don't remember the exact runouts, but cracked me 3x in a row.
aces just lose about 75% of the time for me when I get it in pre.
Is there a different way to play them? or is this just normal PLO variance?

The move is just to get it in right? 65-70% favorite pre? Thanks.

Maybe I'm a nit, but I hate shoving Aces preflop. The last example you're 57-43% I rather realize my edge post flop. That's just me though

so when you flop 40 percent equity, then what?

How often do you play? Are you playing against the same Players mostly? Do these Players have a lot of PLO experience?

You have said two very key bits of information here ..
1) " .. and I pretty much never shove unsuited aces."
2) 100bb effective

How often do you 3bet and fold? Do you ever 3bet KKxx?

When your opponents 'know' that you have AAxx and you are only 100bb deep then most PLO Players will attack with the types of holdings you have shown us here. Do you see any Aces?

While QJ86 is super loose the other two holdings are semi-connected rundowns that are basically flips against presumed AAxx.

Two things ..
A) Keep playing the way you are if you can get these spots HU .. AND, you have the bankroll to ride the variance of these spots. Remember you are rarely even 65% to win with AAxx when you don't share cards/suits and I assume your opponents know this.

B) Play deeper so it hurts them more when you 5bet shove.


How is it that you are leaving with profit? While it's not impossible, it's tough to play a limp/call strategy AND be short stacked in PLO. However, it does sound as if you are at a good table to implement this concept when you can rely on other Players to drive the action. GL

For what you told us, those hands look ok. Your strat is bad, though. You *want* to shove unsuited AA because it has raw equity but without suits it lacks playability. Shove pre and you get to realize all of your equity. The swings that come with that are a feature of the game to be embraced, not a bug to be avoided or corrected.

If you're OOP, you're probably 4betting all AA because being OOP inherently lowers the playability of your hand. Solver does this at 100bb and even against the pool you describe it's probably the best exploit.

If you're IP, you could consider 4betting many less AA. Solver is probably less than half of AA IP. Against your pool, maybe you could 4bet more. But consider your skill advantage vs the 3bettor. The bigger that is, the more I'd be inclined to call with my suited and connected AA and play post.

What bankroll do you keep for these games? I'm asking because three examples of AA losing HU when all-in preflop is nothing and says nothing about how good your strategy is, but it might feel that way if you're not bankrolled well enough for the game.

You pushed your equity edge and got it in ahead, how could that be bad?

Just wanted to say I appreciate this insight and found it very helpful.


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Right. 300 trials would be better. But I say mix it up with the aces, and shove with other hands some.