I tend to always call these 3bets but can we 4bet these hands pre +EV?

Seems like a good spot.

3better is like 20/14/8

PokerStars - $0.10 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BTN): 106.7 BB
SB: 89.2 BB
BB: 260.1 BB
UTG: 60.9 BB
CO: 131.1 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has A K Q 9

fold, fold, Hero raises to 3 BB, SB raises to 10 BB, BB calls 9 BB, Hero ?

calls

You don’t wanna be jammed on. Call. Jam AA.

But we block AA and this is obv sb 3bet? So we cant give it too much credit? And caller seems like dead money?

You've got position with a normally high quality hand, but that could be dominated here.

Don't give up your positional betting advantage to just play a showdown hand.

By GTO it’s call 100%. But if your opp too LAG than you can exploit

But then our 4bet range contains only AA hands?

according to my chart, in terms of 4 betting BTN vs SB (ignoring the BB cold call) aside from aces we also want to four bet some ds broadway pairs, some ds rundows, some ds 3 broadway + 1 non broadway, some 2 broadway + 2 low connectors.


we fourbet those hand classes at various % of the time ranging from 16 to 30.

Ok thanks so this hand qualifies in the sometimes 4 bet category.

I also called but looking at villains hands I was strongly ahead of them so 4bet here was good spot I think.

Rest of hand.

Hero calls 7 BB

Flop: (30 BB, 3 players) 8 2 A
SB bets 28.7 BB, BB calls 28.7 BB, fold

Turn: (87.4 BB, 2 players) K
SB bets 50.5 BB and is all-in, BB calls 50.5 BB

River: (188.4 BB, 2 players) K

BB cashed out 169.6 BB for a fee of 1.7 BB

SB shows 4 A 6 2 (Two Pair, Aces and Kings)
(Pre 44%, Flop 14%, Turn 3%)
BB shows 8 7 3 8 (Full House, Eights full of Kings)
(Pre 56%, Flop 86%, Turn 97%)

with 9d we call. with Td/Jd maybe we can 4bet

Maybe… sometimes… is it helps?

What do we know about opponent?

1. If nothing, then we just have to play GTO.
2. If we know any opponents leaks, then we can use them, but knowing GTO.

If we don't know GTO, someone else will use our leaks

Stats were in first post.

Was 4 tabling so no time to get a specific read on villain.

But 8% 3bet is more than just AA and this seems like a good spot for him to 3bet so in this spot he might 3bet like 15%

I don't play online these days, so consider this a sincere question: Are 5 cent-10 cent opponents good at exploiting us if our 4-bet range is too heavy in AAxx?

Anyway, if most of your opponent's 3! are AAxx then that concern is better addressed by middle rundowns. Against AA,5% (in other words, AA or a few excellent hands that aren't AA) you're better off with 9876ds than with this hand. All depends on reads.

No. At small stakes, that carries a terrible opportunity cost!

If we know nothing specific about our opponent, we still have population reads. At small stakes those reads deviate wildly from GTO. Optimizing our play for GTO when our opponent is likely deviating will leave behind a lot of potential profit.

Here's a useful thread from holdemland about this concept. To be clear, I think you should learn a bit about GTO, but not obsess over the GTO solution to specific hands until you're at much higher stakes.

I didn't see a sample size. Am I missing it?

If a sample is fifty hands, it's entirely plausible she got aces four times. We don't have enough info to know how steal-aware Villain is. What are population reads in PL10?

I think it was around 50 hands.

Well yes sample size would give some information but then same time it wouldn't add much either because we can use population reads and villains don't have to play constant over a larger sample.

And then from population reads we know that villains show up with all kind of hands in this situation. So if we play conservative we might call and keep the total range of villain in.

But think we can make good arguments for +EV 4betting here as AA would only be a percentage of the hands villain can have as he is so likely to 3bet wide here and we block the hands that beat us.

I also missed that the stats were in the first post. Now I see that these stats are very strong. Then, all the more, I see no reason to bow out of the gto. Why do we need to do guessing "how many times are aces" or build general field theories?

Well I was interested in what hands we can 4bet except for Aces as this seemed to be a good spot for villain to 3bet light

Also seeing villains hand and my general perception of villains 3bet ranges made me think that we can 4bet light in these spots. But that might be results oriented.

single suited: mostly AKKx, KK+(76,86....J9,JT), KK+(88..QQ), AQQT, AQQJ, AQQK, AJJQ, AJJK

double suited: ATT(6+) AJJx(87%) AQQx(96%), KK+connectors or pairs

That's a call. You're either hitting huge or you're missing by a ton. And when you hit, a lot of the time monster hands are coming. And the more hands those two come against, usually the better.

It's not really RO thinking (ROT). You always want to update priors as new info comes in. But in updating them, you don't want to overreact to an instance or two where the opponent happened to be at the top or bottom of the range.

In this case you now know this opponent 3! fairly wide. (Seems to me that ace-and three small cards, double suited, is a coherent hand to 3 bet because of the ace blocker and double suitedness plays well HU. However, it's on the bottom end of coherent, so we can conclude he's reraising pretty wide.) You should certainly update your reads.

That's different than if you'd run into AAJT and thought, "So clearly he only ever has premium aces" -- that would be ROT.

I don't understand what the stats being "very strong" has to do with GTO. Can you help me understand this connection?

I'm not saying we should ignore GTO; rather, we need to know about GTO to identify deviations. When we find ourselves in games where most of the population deviates greatly from GTO, we then use that deviation to craft a counterstrategy.

By definition an exploitative counterstrategy will itself be exploitable, but that doesn't matter so much if our opponents aren't good at exploiting it!

I play very close to what the Preflopper advises. At first I was mistaken often, now it is less and less. Now my stats are around 23/16/7. From this number I start when evaluating the stats of the enemy and deciding how to exploit it.

PLO 10 - NO