5-10-20 double board high. V1 in bb is decent lag and covers. V2 is loose passive and has 1K. Hero has 5K.

Hero in straddle with AKQ85 with A8ss and Q5dd

Pre: V2 open limps btn, sb folds, V1 calls, hero checks

Flops (65) :
467dd
KsJd3s

So on top nuts with redraw, on bottom we have tptk with double draw to nuts

V1 checks, hero 65, both call

Turns (260) :
467dd 9x
KsJd3s Td

We improve to Broadway with 2 flush draws, downgrade to second nuts on top

V1 bets 250, hero..

Call or raise both reasonable options, depends a lot on the villain.

I estimate hero is something like a 60% equity favorite vs v1 HU at worst and sometimes much higher.

Not having nut straight on top is most problematic because a non-nut flush redraw with 2 diamonds dead all ready doesn't give us much equity on that board against t8.

My initial reaction was call, but this deep even t8 will face a ton of pressure many rivers or if he doesn't have much on bottom.

And hero's hand, while a big favorite on bottom can still lose or chop on many rivers.

Call also increases chance of v2 staying in which is good, maybe he jams even.

Think just call aye this deep, not much point in raising yet.

Please tag double board hands in the title to prevent me from having to read them

tricky spot. a reasonable V1, even a LAG, needs to be really strong to lead into the field here, and based on card removal across the two boards + your blockers, there are so few combos of hands that have that requisite strength across both boards. but, when he does have those hands you are in really rough shape.

worst case, against AQT8x with nut diamonds you are 53/47 on the bottom and basically dead on top. against AT8ddxx it's somewhere around 70/30 on top and still dead on bottom. against A85dd with at least one broadway card for chop / two pair outs on the top board, you're a small combined equity favorite, but not so much that you want to be piling money in on the turn. if he's capable of doing this with, like AJT82 with just the Ad blocker, you're in pretty great shape. you can run through the same thing with hands that contain a set on top and some combo of AT8dd on the bottom, most of which you are an overall dog to and want to just call turn. hands like KdJT8dx are also still available and essentially freerolling you. depending on villain, we also unblock lots of set and two pair combos across both boards, so for instance something like KJ99xdd, against which we are doing pretty well but not crushing.

in general, there are a fair number of hands that you would like to see V2 fold on the turn, but a) many of them are made less likely by a reasonable V1's turn betting range, or are sharing outs with that range and therefore devalued, and b) i think the downside of raising and getting jammed on by V1's best hands outweighs the potential benefit of shutting out V2 and his short stack.

so, unless V1 has a habit of getting way out of line with turn leads when the board changes, i prefer just calling the turn. if V2 jams and V1 re-jams, you may even have to fold.

this estimate seems wildly optimistic. there are certainly times when you are 60% vs v1 but it is not the "at worst" scenario. a lot of v1's very best hands here can reasonably check-call flop rather than lead or x/r because they basically bink both turns here and didn't have a ton of robust equity on the flop.

Good post ham on rye:

I meant 60% against his range as opposed to individual hands (opponent is described as LAG).

We reached the same conclusion though.

I had thought about adding another post to this thread about pivot cards - this is a spot where even though Hero is frequently the raw equity favorite, he lacks too many nut blockers to recommend an overly agressive action.

As is huge. The k blocker not important most runouts. Q and 8 are still important but lose a lot of relevance if the nuts change again.

Villain should almost always have at least 1 pivot card with the Ad or a t, and if he has more high-value key cards Hero will start running into problems both as an equity underdog and underrealizing equity on river.