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06-25-2023 , 10:07 PM
Hi all,

5/5/15 utg straddle, hero posts and is dealt AJ885 nut spades in the cutoff and the straddler raises to $90, several calls to us and we call.

Flop ($550): Ac8d5d. Checks to us and because we know btn short stack bets a lot we check it. Btn in facts goes all in for $400, sb calls, everyone else folds to us including the preflop raiser. We are $3,500 eff. with the sb. Hero?

Thanks,
DT
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06-25-2023 , 11:28 PM
Fold pre. Prefer call as played since hero is behind combos/wraps.
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06-26-2023 , 05:23 AM
Im probably not folding pre if many players are sufficiently deep with you and the BU is unlikely to squeeze it up. If the straddle has raised and multiple callers, the BU can have a great backraise (stacks dependant)

Flop i agree with Monikrazy. Call only
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06-26-2023 , 10:00 AM
Can you clarify preflop please? Were there callers and you checked your post and then straddle raised? Not sure what other action fits with what you said, in that case I would call pre. In general it's pretty useful to people commenting on your HH if you can remember all the exact suits, or at least more than just 'nut spades' - are you DS?

Flop being Ac8d5d increases the possibility someone has top set with the nfd which they're incentivized to slowplay. And as mentioned we're behind a lot of draws. I would call and see what happens on the turn, underrep our hand and strengthen our calling range.
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06-26-2023 , 02:24 PM
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Originally Posted by wazz
Can you clarify preflop please? Were there callers and you checked your post and then straddle raised? Not sure what other action fits with what you said, in that case I would call pre. In general it's pretty useful to people commenting on your HH if you can remember all the exact suits, or at least more than just 'nut spades' - are you DS?

Flop being Ac8d5d increases the possibility someone has top set with the nfd which they're incentivized to slowplay. And as mentioned we're behind a lot of draws. I would call and see what happens on the turn, underrep our hand and strengthen our calling range.
Just one suit, yes there were several limps before it got to me, then the straddler raised it up.
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06-26-2023 , 05:19 PM
I'd raise to about $900 to $1200. Disguises your hand somewhat imo. Kind of tricky run-outs may be best to just call and check lots of turn cards.
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06-26-2023 , 05:49 PM
Interesting to see all these votes for call worried about being behind draws. I didn't factor that into my decision at all, which may have been a mistake - I mainly considered sb's profile which was pretty action and loose. Perhaps responses would have been different had I mentioned my read. Anyway I potted it and V shipped, got it in against a straight draw and 6-high flush draw.
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06-27-2023 , 02:04 AM
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Originally Posted by DumbosTrunk
Interesting to see all these votes for call worried about being behind draws. I didn't factor that into my decision at all, which may have been a mistake - I mainly considered sb's profile which was pretty action and loose. Perhaps responses would have been different had I mentioned my read. Anyway I potted it and V shipped, got it in against a straight draw and 6-high flush draw.
What kind of straight draw?

I dont think it was said by anyone, maybe coz everyone thought it didnt need to be, but you block your own improvement which gives the draws better equity vs you than normal
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06-27-2023 , 07:58 AM
I would pot, getting sb to fold is a big win and we have reasonable equity when called.
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06-27-2023 , 09:08 AM
I'm surprised by the passivity of the responses - we are relatively deep but there's not a lot of concern here. There's really no concern of SB having AA, if SB had a huge combo draw they would probably raise. I would think the top of SB's range is a middling combo draw, some 55, but more likely a strong FD with little help, or maybe a nut wrap with no FD. I think raising would be the way to go - we need the protection and should have an equity edge here.
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06-27-2023 , 09:37 AM
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Originally Posted by pokerfan655
I'm surprised by the passivity of the responses - we are relatively deep but there's not a lot of concern here. There's really no concern of SB having AA, if SB had a huge combo draw they would probably raise. I would think the top of SB's range is a middling combo draw, some 55, but more likely a strong FD with little help, or maybe a nut wrap with no FD. I think raising would be the way to go - we need the protection and should have an equity edge here.
In 4 card that would generally be true, but in 5 card, we're up against top set a little more often than otherwise, but what we're really concerned with is the equity that draws might have. We could only have 35% when SB doesn't even have a pair. The only thing we're a big favourite against is a lower set, which we block and wouldn't be played very hard anyway.
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