5-5 Live PLO, everyone 4k deep

BTN straddles 10
SB fish calls 10
BB old pro calls 10
MP massive whale raises to 50 (he's been blind potting every hand pre)
HJ Hero raises to 100 with Ah Ad Ts 6s (I've been min-raising him pre with every playable hand)
CO folds
BTN folds
SB calls 100
BB calls 100
MP calls 100

Pot 410

Flop Th 9h 8h

All check

Turn Ac

All check

River 9c

SB bets 410
BB folds
MP folds

Villain sees a lot of flops and calls a lot of bets, but he rarely gets out of line when he bets or raises. When he pots out of position, he's been showing the nuts every time. I had a sense that he was incredibly strong when he bet out.

Hero?

Personally against a massive whale, I'm potting his raises pre and trying to iso. If for some reason you choose not to I would with AAXX at least. I even think instead of min-clicking it'd be a better line to flat his blind raise with it to 4bet if other people are 3betting it frequently.

I think the flop is fine. Turn I'm not sure but probably fine. But as played I probably raise the river. If SB is a fish he might overvalue smaller full houses, you can get a little extra value from those. Can't always be scared of monsters under the bed. Worst that happens is you raise/fold since he likely doesn't come over the top with a worse fh. You don't even have to pot it. He could even have a hand with Jh that blocks one of the straight flushes but has a boat like JT9X so he feels more confident betting.

So I like that you get creative pre to isolate the fish but I don’t actually agree with the strategy. I would still split my range in a PSB 3B and a flat, for the simple reason that you have hands that prefer going mw and not opening the action again, like crappy KK, A998 kinda stuff. And then the full pot 3b can also be useful to maximise FE from other players and really accomplish some isolation, like with this hand, or also with A998 depending on the formation.

As played I think flop is fine but kinda like a turn bet. You make some straights fold, get value from worse sets, and semi bluff vs the flushes.

But I might be wrong because I play just 5card.

Anyways you have to raise this river because fish easily overvalue full houses and aren’t very good at folding them. Yea you’ll get repopped sometimes but it’s not a reason not to raise because you’re still ahead vs the call range. also you can just fold if he comes over the top.

I am not raising this river. Is he really that bad of a fish -- it doesn't sound like it. He should never be calling with worse and if he decides to jam it would really suck.

I don't like that I have the Ah and Ts blockers (hands he could call a raise with: tens-full, nines-full-of-tens, ace-hi flush). But I don't like getting to showdown with aces-full for just one post-flop bet either.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I find most players to at live 5-5 to be unbalanced with their bet sizing. When he pot into three other people, even without the possible straight flushes on board, I expect his minimum-strength hand to be Ts-full. I usually see bets between one-fifth and two-thirds pot with 9s-full-of-As and other small full houses. But then again, this is the first post-flop bet.

My NL habits are carrying over to PLO. NL is a lot more solved than PLO, so I try to be a little more balanced. But even in NL, I shouldn't be balanced against a massive whale like this.

Now that I think about it, the strategy I like is:

Potting strong hands (AAxx)
Min-raising less strong hands (AQT3ss/t)
Flatting weaker hands (junk KKxx)

But this only works because he's playing 100% of his hands. If he ever folded hands pre, I think I prefer the min-iso strategy.

Pot it pre. The whale's "straddle" should make you play a little tighter, not looser.

As played, bet the flop small when checked to.

As played, bet the turn small when checked to.

As played, either raise the river to ~1k and fold to a jam or just call, whatever lets you sleep better.

I seriously can't believe anyone thinks this guys is potting this river into three players lightly or calling a raise from pre-flop raiser w/ worse than AAA99 here.

Villain sees a lot of flops and calls a lot of bets, but he rarely gets out of line when he bets or raises, When he pots out of position, he's been showing the nuts every time. I had a sense that he was incredibly strong when he bet out.

I am never raising river.

What are the odds he has one of those better hands vs having 1010, 910 or 9a. I think it'd safe to bet.. very interested to see the percentages though

Yeah he's the pfr.. but he's been min raising with every single playable hand and hasn't flatted once. On top of the fact the pfr could have a ton of different hands, it checked through on the flop and turn. A fish could definitely try to steal this pot or value bet with a worse hand.

With the read he has, a call could be fine.. but he's also labeled a fish and this is the only bet made post flop. He's losing specifically to 99, QJhh, J7hh, 67hh. There are many more hands with TT, A9, 89, T9, 88 that he might overvalue. Plus some random bluffs with Jh, 7h or 9X. Who knows. He's a fish.

If his read is that he's 100% sure that he has the nuts when he goes with this line, then yes it's a fold. But that's just hard to believe.

If anything I'd rather minclick it back to him than call and if he pots just fold. But I still probably make it $1k. If you minclick and he calls. Cool you just got extra value. If he folds then he had a worse hand or was just bluffing anyway. If he pots it'd be suicide to do that without a straight flush or quads, even a fish knows that.

this, though i would lean just call on the river regardless of sleep habits.

I guess my point is he should NEVER be calling with worse, so what's the point? He'd have to be a serious bad fish to call even a min-raise on the river. Only way V should call is if Hero is seen as an even worse fish Hero, what's your image?

Naa he'd call a min raise with a lesser boat which is the probable hand

I've been pretty active and aggressive. But not like a crazy LAG.

I do like a small raise to 900 or 1,000 on the river. I don't like raising full pot. I think he would fold 9s-full-of-As. And there's only one TTxx left when I hold a T blocker.

So did you raise? What happened?

No matter what you gotta click back here a good close to 80 percent of the time all things considered maybe close to 90 percent I mean how would one find the odds he has those Hands in his range here I say you run in 4 of a kind or straight flush maybe 5 percent of the time

So, are all of you calling Hero's min-raise w/ 9s full here -- or the less likely Ts full?

What did he have.. just because it's less likely doesn't mean it's less likely... if u know what I mean

Are you calling Hero's min-raise?

Doesn't matter

Of course it does. You think Villain is going to call. Why would you expect Villain to call when you wouldn't (or would you?) and I haven't heard from anyone else who would.

I would snap fold.

I raised to $1,100. He quickly slammed a stack of lavender $500 chips in the pot. I snap-folded. Thinking he had the nuts, he excitedly showed 99.

Of course it DOESNT. TELL ME HOW OF COURSE IT DOES BECAUSE I FOLDED THAT MAKES NO SENSE TO IN REGARDS TO WHAT THE RIGHT PLAY IS. AND THE RIGHT PLAY IS TO RAISE. raising is the right play simply because 1010 9a 910 calls here and majority of time thats what they have. Run the stats on it and I could explain go into the numbers further and explain more how your wrong.

I’m calling, but this is closer to a fold than a raise. Sb just bet full pot into a the field that includes a 3bettor. We are basically bluff catching.