Im not that familiar with PLO should we always get these type of hands in?>





[converted_hand][hand_history]Poker Stars, $0.10/$0.25 Pot Limit Omaha Cash, 5 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #12419322

CO: $8.06 (32.2 bb)
BTN: $48.13 (192.5 bb)
SB: $31.56 (126.2 bb)
Hero (BB): $32.29 (129.2 bb)
MP: $17.12 (68.5 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BB with K A Q A
MP folds, CO calls $0.25, BTN raises to $1.10, SB calls $1, Hero raises to $4.65, CO folds, BTN calls $3.55, SB calls $3.55

Flop: ($14.20) 8 6 4 (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $11.25, BTN folds, SB raises to $26.91, Hero calls $15.66

c/f flop for gods sake


put your hand against xxxx in PTR you'll see why

Yea im a PLO fish, just wonder what application I can use for PLO isntead of pokerstove which I normally use in NLHE

Thanks in advance

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Overplaying AAxx is a big leak, easy fold on flop

fwiw I think HU this is okay to bet, especially with the Ace of hearts, but not 3 way. 3 way it just hits their ranges too hard and too often.

I wasn't sure whether to post this in a new thread but... I've been thinking about 3 betting OOP in PLO a lot recently and this thread struck a chord with me.

Is the standard play here really to 3 bet oop and then check fold every mid-low co-ordinated flop? Really???

Isn't that extremely exploitable to any competent BTN?

Or are we going to be 3 betting JT97/9876 type hands for balance so we can hit both types of boards with the same preflop line?

And if we are balancing the 3 betting of high card hands and mid card hands, then we should be able to at least cbet flops like this?

Seems to me that when you're oop you either have to 3 bet and cbet both of these hand and board types or neither.

Unless villains are going to put you on AA no matter how much you balance your 3 betting, in which case, we are turning our hand face up by 3 betting AAxx and also giving villains implied odds and position.

I think being double suited could make major difference to the preflop decision, but given we're rainbow here, could a call pre be a viable alternative?

Hmm, I'm curious of how to play this hand as well.

If the flop is checked around and SB checks again on a safe turn (say Js), are we betting?

Even if the flop checks through and the Js hits we could be in a very tough spot if we bet turn and get called as BTN would still be in the hand.

Half the deck on the river will complete some kind of flush draw/straight draw/random 2 pair and then when we check we won't know what to do vs a bet.

The main problem here isn't the board, it's the perception of our range.

If we 3 bet OOP and then check all low-mid co-ordinated boards, we've turned our hand completely face up as we're rarely, if ever, slow playing a monster in this spot.

I think this is an interesting question. I think it changes because you have 3 people in the pot and not 2. Given that SB called BTN and called the 3bet that just reeks of 5678 - 10JKQds types of hands unless SB is just crazy and over playing an overpair with a flush draw here.

If there were only 2 people in the pot, I think betting would be the ideal thing to do unless someone never folds to a cbet, in which case checking behind, imo, makes some sense - particularly because we have the Ah.

No. Firstly, you don't always 3bet AA OOP pre. You don't 3bet bad rainbow AA. You also tend towards not 3betting if it isn't HU (e.g. BTN opens, SB calls, you don't 3bet from the BB if they're competent).

However, if it's HU, single suited AA like AA97 or even rainbow AAKQ have enough value to 3bet for sure.

Also, you don't just CF always. You bet-fold some, bet-shove some, check-fold some, and check raise all-in some. For A high flops with no straight and flush out you should almost always bet rather than check raise, to balance with the times you have air and are betting. But there are several ways to play this. For small 932 boards you should bet too. For other boards like coordinated ones that you didn't hit you can CF or BF. If you flop an overpair with a NFD you can either B-3B or CRAI.

This balances your checks and cbets well enough for BTN to not be able to exploit you easily. Overall, decent AA is still too good to 3bet pre when HU, even if OOP. You take down enough flops, or flop a set or an overpair with NFD often enough to make it profitable to build up a pot pre. There is a reason why AA is still the most profitable hand in PLO for most players when they check their HEM or PT.

Yes. Definitely. Also, AKQx or AKJx double suited.

Again, mix in all plays on a variety of flops. Except A high flops where top set is the nuts, in which case you should always cbet big regardless of what you have. They fold like 80% of the time.

These questions have already been answered above.

Very nice post, thanks. You confirmed a lot of what I thought and also gave me some new ideas re: postflop.

You're welcome.

I flat this pre usually. If i'm single suited I 3bet. Not saying it's bad to 3bet, but not necessary.