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Originally Posted by answer20
1) What's your image .. 3b range from EP? If you are checking all your QQxx 3b (and he knows this) then you have to call one bet to see what happens.
2) Why wouldn't you lead here? Can't you have KK?
While you really don't 'actually' have any BD help from this Flop they might not either. I'm just not sure why you would give up the betting lead from OOP on a Board as bad as this one without some more intel. It's much easier to bet/fold here than to even consider monsters under the bed when facing only one bet. If AA is a set mining operation then why 3b? If that is your mindset then you need to flat here (not 3b) to control the pot size PF before V can use the pot size against you. Let loose V do what they do .. bet everything and build a pot for you.
3) If you peel and an Ace hits Turn are you x/f to a pot bet, just assuming V has a straight?
If you're playing PLO you're going to lose some hands .. eh? That's the nature of the more similar equities. Get a 'simple' odds App and look at your equity here against some made up holdings. If V has a set or pr/wrap you're in tough shape here .. but a loose V will have a lot of Kx and you're probably just under 30% to V 2pr combos.
Lots of posters on this site wont help a Player 'get out of jail' since they feel you shouldn't be in jail to begin with. Well, I don't think you're in jail. But if you think you're in jail here with bad AAxx, then don't 3b so you can see a Turn 100% of the time on a Board like this one. Once you've done that 20-30 times from EP AND actually got to Showdown you'll find you you have the best hand and then can be more confident in playing the bigger pots via 3b.
I'm not trying to rag on you too much, but your post suggests that you really shouldn't be playing 5/5 PLO. This is a slam dunk c-bet for anyone that has your perceived image as I read into it here. If you want to discuss a c-bet size, we can do that.
A) You have a pretty decent hand
B) You are the aggressor PF
C) Allowing a chronic betting loose Player to bet tells you nothing
D) While a loose Player calling a bet may not tell you much, at least it tells you more than just allowing them to bet on their own
E) You need to get more comfortable being ready to double barrel or call down a couple bets in these types of spots. If you are constantly folding out then you will just get run over .. IF THIS IS THE CASE, then just play smaller from EP so you can at least see the Turn card for under 10% of your stack. GL
yeah this isn't right at all.
the 100 bb multiway sim on mastermind for k32r has us pure checking this hand and xrai vs co. id imagine it doesnt do that as we get deeper as the sim in question is like 1.8 spr. with bdfd it begins betting and with 2 it will pot. the fact its 200 bb makes me think we might end up just xfing this because of lack of playability. you definitely dont just auto cbet regardless of your cards because "you could have kk". sorry there aren't really similar boards for this at 200bb so i dont have a ton to add.
theres a 200bb hu sim sb vs btn where we're still xring this hand vs btn on k32r but like k43 is a bit scarier and this guy opened from the co and its 3 handed so it likely turns into a large punt in practice to gii here. looking at vision i see k53r we are xfing aa98!BDFD to a co 1/3 stab (at 100bb multiway) so id imagine this board looks similar.
i dont really get it the whole "aa setmining thing". your side cards matter a great deal when you're making a decision with what to do with your hand. clearly having a nut suit and connectivity with 98 is important. if you dont get this there's absolutely no way you can be condescending to someone and tell them they shouldnt be playing 5/5 lol. i really dont think image matters all that much at plo especially when looking at something like a flop cbet when none of your cards interact with or block the board. id have been more diplomatic with my response had u not been totally wrong while telling the guy lol move down u are not good enough for these stakes for playing a hand well
Last edited by submersible; 08-23-2023 at 02:11 AM.