Hi all,

There is a limp to hero in CO with AA754ds (a-high diamonds) and we make it $20, a few callers.

Flop($100): Q86r with a diamond. We flop low wrap bdfd and overpair. Fish leads out for $25, folds to us $650 eff. SB and BTN are still in the hand and cover.

Thanks,
DT

Easy call for this price

Call. Hero should be checking this flop if villain did not bet and lacks the hand strength to raise.

One concept I picked up from NL days was to raise weak donk bets...do you think that applies here when the fish leads for 1/4 pot? Also any merit to forcing out something like JT9 wrap behind us to clean up our equity?

I like raising this spot - our low wrap isn't really that appealing so if we can fold out equity and rep a set it'll put us in good shape on the turn.

No - the theoretical reasons behind raising are completely different and in 5 card villain's range will have much more equity than NL.

Trying to fold out jt9xx hand seems unrealistic, hero is more likely to fold out some medium strength 1p and 2p hands.

Hero is unlikely to have the strongest hand of the 4 players, but has too much equity to want to turn it into a bluff and should expect to give up on the majority of turns unimproved vs normal-sized bets.

Raising the flop is also unattractive because Hero does not want to face another raise, against which he is mostly supposed to fold.


I don't hate a 'click it back' raise to something like $75, but view it as mostly unnecessary.

The problem is we don't have any clean turns other than a 4 or ace, so I don't see a lot of projected value to be had on future streets. It's extremely unlikely we get re-raised - I think 88/66 just call the raise and we can certainly have plenty of QQ. Really given how close equities are its more advantageous to raise here to fold out said equities - I would probably play it similar in Hold Em but there's also better implied odds in hold em if you hit a straight.

I get what you're saying, even thought I disagree.

I don't hate a small raise, but lines involving small raise tend to be more profitable as an exploit / targeting weaker players.

I think potting is pretty bad.

I also think concluding hero is extremely unlikely to face an additional raise is incorrect. That implies less than a 5% chance when I expect at least 10-15% chance.

But this is a classic aaxxx hand not connecting strongly with a flop in a large multiway pot - hero needs to stay disciplined. Calling is not the end of the hand and Hero still has the potential to win a big pot by the river.

In general there are lots of spots where you can't see a clear reason for a c-bet but you should do it anyway, at least some of the time. But that doesn't apply to raises where you're getting way more money than you need to, especially facing a small bet. The small bet is ideal for us. He's playing into our hands for our range here. He finds out very little info other than we probably don't have top set and he has little to no visibility on 5-789TJ. We have 6 nut outs which we may have to fold to a 3b - so this would be a little better with say AQ754 - and a backdoor flush draw we will be able to realise better by keeping the pot small in position. Think it's also worth pointing out that our 6 nut outs are all ones he may try to rep.

Don't try to fold out full houses on the river, and don't try to fold out nut wraps on rainbow flops. Especially not when calling is so appealing.

Excellently said Wazz!

It's great seeing you active again.