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08-08-2024 , 03:08 AM
1-2-5 plo. V in utg is extremely high pfr but plays fit or fold post. About 600 eff.

Hero in utg 1 with AA62hhh

Pre: V raises 15, hero sb bb call. 4 ways

Flop (60) : AQ5r bdnfd
Check check, V bets 25, hero 100, 2 folds, V calls

Turn (260) : Kx
V checks
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08-08-2024 , 10:14 AM
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Originally Posted by OmahaDonk
1-2-5 plo. V in utg is extremely high pfr but plays fit or fold post. About 600 eff.

Hero in utg 1 with AA62hhh

Pre: V raises 15, hero sb bb call. 4 ways

Flop (60) : AQ5r bdnfd
Check check, V bets 25, hero 100, 2 folds, V calls

Turn (260) : Kx
V checks
Villains flop play could mean a 9 out Broadway wrap or perhaps a set/two pair type hand, Your flop play might seem to him as a set or a wrap of your own. If he has a set or two pair type hand and you bet pot on the turn he's likely done with the hand If he had the wrap I'm not sure why he wouldn't bet the turn at least half pot but it's possible he would go for the check raise. A bet by you of half pot ($130) would likely be called by two pair or the set making the pot $520 with about $380 effective behind. You likely get the rest of his money on board pairing run outs (except him making quads of course) and some of the time on blanks. If he has the less likely straight he very likely check raises all in on the turn and you can safely fold against a non-maniac since you don't have the right price to fill (calling $380 to win $770).

I'm fairly new to the game and am curious what others think.
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08-08-2024 , 11:31 AM
I think this kind of villain is unbalanced here and will mostly check call weak one pair + draw hands on the flop. So he turns either a weak ish two pair or a straight here. He should lead out sometimes with that range which he won’t. On the river I think it is likely he will unbalance himself again and lead all his straights and not enough bluffs relatively.

With AA62 vs that range it is best to check back.
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08-08-2024 , 12:27 PM
Does V have an open limping range or does he always open for pot? If he splits his range preflop then this turn card really hits his bet/call flop range hard. If not, with a high enough VPIP he should still have a lot of wheel draws worth protecting against.
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08-08-2024 , 02:47 PM
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Originally Posted by crimsonchin
I think this kind of villain is unbalanced here and will mostly check call weak one pair + draw hands on the flop. So he turns either a weak ish two pair or a straight here. He should lead out sometimes with that range which he won’t. On the river I think it is likely he will unbalance himself again and lead all his straights and not enough bluffs relatively.

With AA62 vs that range it is best to check back.
I'm having a bit of a problem understanding the above. Villain bet the flop and called the raise. Do you think his range is still as described above?

As an aside I've always looked forward to your content. I play live brick and mortar games with $5 big blinds (occasionally $10) but my results (very positive for about 2000 hours of part time play over three years post Covid) mask real problems with my play. Want to learn from better players such as yourself.
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08-08-2024 , 11:45 PM
Im sorry I misread the hh as flop went check call. Indeed it’s a bet/raise/call. That def puts more QQ and AQ+draw hands in his range. Nevertheless it will still be difficult to get a weaker hand to call two streets and we do run into straight on the turn here which we have no blocker too. So I still think checking behind makes more sense and playing a river.
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08-10-2024 , 10:17 PM
i check. looks like only straight draws are continuing, and if you're lucky, qqxx.

best case he has two pair or pair plus gutter and missed, or now picked up the additional pair / gutter.
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08-11-2024 , 01:19 PM
Why no 3bet pre?

xb ott, we aren't getting 2 more streets from worse and hold no blockers to the straight.

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08-12-2024 , 10:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Franchise804
Why no 3bet pre?

xb ott, we aren't getting 2 more streets from worse and hold no blockers to the straight.

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The hand doesn’t play very well preflop, people are going to put us on aces, we want to back 4b this hand to become committed, we increase the chance of set over set when others join, etc.

I don’t 3b much in live PLO, they just cold call behind and you have to hit hard anyways.
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08-13-2024 , 12:11 AM
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Originally Posted by crimsonchin
I think this kind of villain is unbalanced here and will mostly check call weak one pair + draw hands on the flop. So he turns either a weak ish two pair or a straight here. He should lead out sometimes with that range which he won’t. On the river I think it is likely he will unbalance himself again and lead all his straights and not enough bluffs relatively.

With AA62 vs that range it is best to check back.
From villain's perspective, when you turn the straight how do you mix between leading and checking?
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08-15-2024 , 01:11 PM
It gets wacky in terms of range constructions right?

It really depends how we range hero in the hand. Mind you I only play 5c/6c so I’m just guessing here but I would estimate a balanced flop strategy for hero to be raising some but not all AA, AQJT/AQKT 30-40%, AQQ, AQ5x sometimes, AJJT/ATTJ sometimes.

Then OOP would defend with many of those same hands but be more weighted to the broadway wraps and jam the stronger made hands.

So both players would interact heavily on that card though favour OOP a bit, but in that case would not have a huge leading range because he’s still OOP.

However if we’re playing a more straightforward reg that is just heavily weighted to just AA on the flop then the interactions start to heavily favour OOP on this turn and we could lead everything depending on how we expect our opponent to respond with AA. In a balanced strat AA could do a little bit of folding to a turn lead so it really depends how our opponent is going to respond to the situation.
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08-15-2024 , 03:42 PM
Balance-wise I don't think you can raise this flop at all as a caller. Opener is too wide pre so it's a pure exploit
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09-09-2024 , 10:45 AM
Flat pre is fine, unless table is likely to 4b wide, which a lot are, but on those tables, they 3b wide enough that this works a treat. If you're going to flat AA, this is the right sort of sidecards to do it with.

Flat the flop for range reasons. Play it like a draw - you have 23 outs to have the effective nuts on the turn, you gain a huge amount in underrepping your hand and letting villain rep the hand you have, KJT doesn't always bet the flop, isn't that common and has the least equity out of all the wraps. You've got 2 people behind you making your raise look a lot stronger and removing the possibility of one of them looking at a cheeky A235 and popping it 'for protection', instead giving them the opportunity to make a fold.

As played, given you've taken a lot of KJT out of your range, they've taken a lot of strong made hands out of his by calling, so they now have if not more range advantage than you, more than they had. There's no flush draws, meaning that if you're ahead, you've realistically only got to dodge the J or T coming on the river.

While some live fish hit a set and hang on to dear life, other fish are capable of finding a fold here with QQ if you bet the turn.

Betting the turn to fold to a jam might be correct if villain is never playing worse hands for value or jamming blockers, but even then we're pissing so much equity up the wall by doing so. We don't block the nuts, we instead block his value range on the flop, meaning it's weighted towards draws, meaning... check back the turn.
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