New to PLO so bare with me!

Table has a low stakes whale (MP) who is donating money away, lots of ppl trying to see flops.

$1 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 6 players

Hero (SB): 212.27 BB
BB: 100 BB
UTG: 87.46 BB
MP: 94.21 BB
CO: 100 BB
BTN: 452.46 BB

Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has J 8 4 3

UTG raises to 3.5 BB, MP calls 3.5 BB, CO calls 3.5 BB, BTN calls 3.5 BB, Hero calls 3 BB, BB calls 2.5 BB

Flop: (21 BB, 6 players) 3 8 Q
Hero checks, BB checks, UTG checks, MP checks, CO checks, BTN checks

Turn: (21 BB, 6 players) J
Hero checks, BB checks, UTG bets 15.75 BB, fold, fold, BTN calls 15.75 BB, Hero calls 15.75 BB, fold

River: (68.25 BB, 3 players) T
Hero checks, UTG bets 68.21 BB and is all-in, fold, fold

UTG wins 65.25 BB

1. Getting 3bb to 14bb preflop with a turd hand, is this an autocall with pot odds + implied?

2. Flopped bottom two, seems standard to check in multiway pot?

3. Pick up better two pair + bad flush draw. straight on board though so im guessing im close to 0% equity here and should probably fold right? I called thinking I have boat outs + FD vs a straight here

Fold pre, fold turn, fold river.

Flop we consider calling a bet depending on specific action but bottom 2, no real redraws is a bad hand multiway so we often fold.

Fold pre is the take-away here.

Quit poker is the take-away here.

Isn't this always the case though?

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What do you think about this hand

$1 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 4 players


BTN: 150.5 BB
SB: 128.97 BB
BB: 213.21 BB
Hero (CO): 77.5 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has T 8 8 Q

Hero raises to 3.5 BB, BTN calls 3.5 BB, fold, fold

Flop: (8.5 BB, 2 players) 2 4 Q
Hero bets 5.25 BB, BTN calls 5.25 BB

Turn: (19 BB, 2 players) K
Hero checks, BTN bets 9.5 BB, Hero calls 9.5 BB

River: (38 BB, 2 players) J
Hero checks, BTN bets 28.5 BB, Hero ???

First hand-
Table has a low stakes whale (MP) who is donating money away, lots of ppl trying to see flops.

You mean you? When you call pre with that you are the one donating.

Second hand -

X/r on flop. Bet/c turn, b/c river

In case for some reason you don't believe the other posters, maybe it's necessary to add my voice.

Pre is lighting money on fire even with a whale involved. If all 4 ahead of you were as big whales as you've described, maybe you could turn a profit with this hand. And turn call is pretty bad as well given you're definitely multiway which means I'd guess something like fd is live 50% of the time, boat outs something similar, none of them live ~10%. And you have no implied odds against the straight. Hasn't the whale folded?

No need to quit poker. You've come to the right place. There's a whole world more for you to learn than you already know. Just be humble and keep asking questions and tweaking your play. Poker is hard nowadays.

Thanks for the input! I am pretty bad atm but still learning. Seems a lot of leaks can be fixed by just being tighter pre. I'll fold this hand next time

I am the other donator for sure! Only have about 2k hands in PLO so far though...


If we take the more aggro line wouldn't weaker flushes be more likely to fold and nut flush getting more value from us? I can see how if opp check back river my line would be terrible.

edit: I check-called river, Opp had the Jack high flush and value owned himself.

I'm finding its hard to figure out the fine line between checking the flop for equity with FD and betting for value/protection. Though looking at my hand now having top pair + FD seems very strong

What are you trying to achieve with a c/r on the flop in the second hand? We have the betting lead and we have a bettable hand. With lots of money left to play and a highly changeable board we don't really need to consider using this hand to balance - it's in the top half but really it's a middling hand for our range thus far. If you're worried about protecting range anyway we do it by c/cing. Stacks mean that we'll be the one faced with the decision of whether to call it off if he jams on us, which he will do with all of his sets and a bunch of A3/A5/A35/A56+nfd type hands, and maybe some of his wraps. Are we happy to get it all-in? Even if you could find a range against which you're happy to pile 74 beebs into an 8.5 beeb pot, it's still probably better ev to c/c.

2nd hand you play flop well.

Turn we can bet vs spaz, or check call and let him value town himself most of the time

River is always a check call even vs a nit.

OT; I’m going to improve your win rate x 10.

While you are learning;

Stop playing completely from UTG or hijack unless you have a monster.

(AAxx ds, KKxx ds, Ds broadways etc.)

Tighten up your range in every position, you are too inexperienced to play junk and are going to get wrecked.

My guess is your VPIP should be like, 12 or something. That’s not a lot of hands, but when you are in a pot your hand strength will help make up for your inexperience.

Fold everything except AA to 4bet, and then obv you are ripping.

Don’t bother trying to be tricky or trappy, until you have more experience just bet the **** out of your big hands.

Also, I think you are playing way too big, even at .05/.10 most of the pool is going to be decent, they are not just donating - I think cut your teeth at lower stakes.

Going from Hold'em to Omaha it gets enticing to see flops with fun looking hands (any two broadways, suited mid/low connectors, low pocketpairs), so I tend to limp my **** hands to see cheap flops.

Stats after 2k hands are 51.49/20.63/6.33. I know this is way too loose. According to my limited dataset, most winners and regs are playing 25/13/8, so time to adjust and take is seriously. Going to look @ odds oracle and only open 20% hands

For UTG what % opening range do you have? I thinking if your Button/MP range is top 20%, UTG prob should be closer to 15%

This is all solid advice, making notes and thank you!

button open when folded to is at least 35%. i've had a 3handed session i remember from a long time ago when i thought the two other guys were so bad, i could get away with a 100% button open range. it was great fun.

yes, you need to tighten up massively. utg 15% sounds about right to me. possibly tighter though.

I suck at these bomb pots but I think I played this correctly. Looking for thoughts. V is 20/7/2

$1 PL Hi - Omaha Hi - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (SB): $144.95
BB: $176.17
UTG: $100.00
UTG+1: $100.00
MP: $177.01
MP+1: $234.59
MP+2: $100.00
CO: $100.00
BTN: $190.50

9 players post ante of $4.00

UTG checks, UTG+1 checks, MP checks, MP+1 checks, MP+2 checks, CO checks, BTN checks, Hero checks, BB checks

Pre Flop: (pot: $36.00) Hero has J Q J 8

Flop: ($36.00, 9 players) 5 J A
Hero bets $36.00, fold, fold, fold, MP calls $36.00, fold, fold, fold, fold

Turn: ($108.00, 2 players) 7
Hero checks, MP bets $35.64, Hero calls $35.64

River: ($179.28, 2 players) T
Hero checks, MP bets $89.64, fold

MP wins $176.28

1. Would going for check raise on the flop be better? Leading out denies flushdraws which is the main draw here, I really dont want a free card to roll off. Obv bad if I run into aces.

2. Assuming V range here is 55 (I think aces would reraise that flop), flushes, and AK/AJ/a5, do I have enough equity to call? I think I plugged it in correctly

3. Can only beat 2 pair bluff at this point, and V seems to tight to have called with just that and no FD on flop

Pretty confident when nit villain calls your PSB here he’s got like NFD and gutter+

Good price to suck out on turn I reckon.

Good fold on river.

Against spaz players that like to call wide/float with dogshit I might barrel 1/3 on turn, but vs this dude your line is right by me at least.