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05-14-2023 , 05:16 AM
5-10-20 Double board. V in bb is decent reg, definitely a winning player. About 1700 eff. Not sure if I should defend this pre. Btn is extremely spewy which factored into the call.

Hero in straddle with 59TTJ with J9cc

Pre: Btn opens pot 80, sb bb and hero call. 4 ways

Flops (320) :
765ss
T72r bdfd

So we have gutter on top and top set and gutter on bottom.

Sb checks, bb bets 200, hero calls, hu

Turns (720) :
765ss Js
T72r Kcc

So the flush comes in but we turn 2 pair. On bottom we picked up a second gutter and bad flush draw.

BB pots 720 with 700 back.
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05-14-2023 , 06:24 PM
probably we're supposed to pot the flop right? i mean unless he has a wrap we should have like 80%+ on the bottom, which means our 15% is enough on the top. if he has a wrap he still has to have a strong hand on the top as well. although actually 89 completes both, so yah maybe we can't raise the flop.

fold pre
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05-15-2023 , 02:34 AM
If you were deeper, I'd advocate a call and jamming all paired rivers on the top board (and when we boat up/make the straight on the bottom as well, of course). Now there is a chance that the jam might not get through since it will be like a quarter pot or something like that. However, just calling is iffy as well - I mean, are there really any runouts we can realistically fold for 700 more if we put in 720 now? If we just call, we are in a shitty spot if we don't improve on the bottom board, however, given the odds I think we are forced to call hoping for the chop anyway (if we don't jam ourselves).

I mean, to me it smells like a made hand on the top board, which has us drawing slim (most likely to four outs, best case scenario eight outs, but in the eight-out scenario he will have a bunch of outs to beat us on the bottom board as well), and we have a probably good, but vulnerable hand on the bottom board. Hands that really crush us are unlikely (AKKxx w/ nut spades would probably have re-raised pre), however a hand like KKxxx w/ spades is possible, although there are many more combos that our equity is decent again.

I mean, folding kind of sucks since we are too strong for that, and this is a fold I'd probably never make in-game, however in theory it might be the best play I guess.
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05-15-2023 , 11:38 AM
I fold pre, but I'm pretty tight. Knowing it's double board and BTN is spewy might make me call, though.

I don't like any of it, really, except the TT. Jamming flop is an option, but I like the call. On turn, I probably call again, although folding can't be too bad. Not sure I like a jam w/ zero fold equity -- I'd like to see the rivers, first. Folding can't be terrible, but then we probably should have folded pre.
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