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02-13-2024 , 12:21 PM
1-2 plo with 5 dollar bring in at Aria. Hero has a very low pfr and that leads me to believe sb is extremely AA heavy.

Hero in utg2 with 5789ds with 89cc

Pre: UTG straddle 10, UTG1 limps, hero iso to 45. Folds to sb who 3b to 150, folds to hero who calls

Flop (313) : KcTd9d
Sb checks

Spr is 2.
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02-13-2024 , 12:45 PM
hero checks
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02-13-2024 , 06:42 PM
I would check as well. Even though i understand the argument to attack bare aa on this texture, its pretty risky on this texture without any diamond and because facing a x/jam from villain is a very bad result.

Hero can still play agressive and bluff on future street if he puts villain on a weak range.
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02-14-2024 , 09:40 AM
The thing is that you have a ton of checking equity here because of the open ender, plenty of outs but also you can easily still bluff turn or river so not like you’re giving up on that possibility. I’d rather bluff the flop with a weaker hand.
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02-14-2024 , 06:04 PM
Think checking is a mistake here. You have 52% equity vs 10%, and 55% vs top 5% as that contains more AA hands. I think we also eliminate the nutty parts of his range due to his check - getting him to fold his equity would be a big win here.
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02-15-2024 , 05:33 AM
Check. There's a lot more than AAxx in villain's range. I would not be surprised to see almost any combo of 4 broadway cards.

Betting here would be an expensive way to discover the villain actually hit this flop. We can get that information for free by taking the free card and putting the ball back in his court on the turn.

As others said: we can still bluff turn or river, and our bluff decision on the turn would be more informed.
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02-15-2024 , 05:40 AM
btw i hate hate this mediocre hand for calling a 3-bet heads-up against a villain we believe views us as tight.

it makes flops like these misery.

In general, few ways to make a comfortably strong hand, and even if we do, it is hard to get paid by worse.
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02-15-2024 , 05:46 AM
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Originally Posted by grant2
btw i hate hate this mediocre hand for calling a 3-bet heads-up against a villain we believe views us as tight.

it makes flops like these misery.

In general, few ways to make a comfortably strong hand, and even if we do, it is hard to get paid by worse.
I think the opposite is true. He’s going to put us on high cards and like the flops we smash.

We’re in position with a double suited rundown against an AA heavy range. This is a printing spot.
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02-16-2024 , 04:19 AM
Check. However if I'm honest it is a fold pre.
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02-16-2024 , 05:10 AM
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Originally Posted by OmahaDonk
I think the opposite is true. He’s going to put us on high cards and like the flops we smash.

We’re in position with a double suited rundown against an AA heavy range. This is a printing spot.
The flops we smash, villain bricks. The hero thinks he is perceived as tight. How much payoff do you think AA or KK is going to give us on a 778 board?

Do we think we get paid enough with a 9 high flush to compensate all the times we miss or get our flush dominated?

5789ds may be ok to call a 3bet against a player with a wider range, or who has less respect for us, but heads up against someone the hero says is sticking the premium hands, most of the paths seem to lead to losing something or winning a small amount. And far too few paths to valuetown to justify the risk.
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02-16-2024 , 07:45 AM
This is a call pre vs the 3bet even if villain only 3bets the absolute best aces.

We get direct pot odds. We flop smooth enough to have very good equity realisation. In fact we realise our equity better than opponent because we have position and know exactly what he has.

It does not matter how tight opponents 3bet range is for this hand. In fact a tighter 3b range might make this even better of a call pre.

That said, with shallow SPRs and odd blind structures I think it’s good to keep your eyes open for opportunities to limp rundowns pre.
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02-16-2024 , 10:14 AM
I like the check here and see if we get a non-flush Turn. If V checks again, then we are free to go 2/3 pot (maybe less)

The assumption is that a low pfr will have at least one Broadway card with their AA that they raise with and may get sticky if it's AAxx with flush draw. I guess we can ask if V would still raise bad AA from OOP?

I don't generally bet these spots unless I get the green light via double-check from V.

Hero needs to know how often they can call a 'small' Turn bet and still get V off their hand if checked to on River unimproved.

In my games a lot more bad can come of this than good .. I take all the free cards I can get when not drawing to the nuts. GL
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02-16-2024 , 01:24 PM
I agree w/ answer20 to take the free card.
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02-17-2024 , 07:44 AM
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Originally Posted by grant2
The flops we smash, villain bricks. The hero thinks he is perceived as tight. How much payoff do you think AA or KK is going to give us on a 778 board?

Do we think we get paid enough with a 9 high flush to compensate all the times we miss or get our flush dominated?

5789ds may be ok to call a 3bet against a player with a wider range, or who has less respect for us, but heads up against someone the hero says is sticking the premium hands, most of the paths seem to lead to losing something or winning a small amount. And far too few paths to valuetown to justify the risk.
We are getting full value when we flop trips or straights imo. He’s going to see 346 and immediately say pot. 775 same thing. And of course we can flop pair + draws + backdoors and call a flop pot when we don’t drill it.

We know his hand and he’s flying blind oop.
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02-17-2024 , 07:45 AM
Hero checks back

Turn (313) : Kddd
V checks
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02-20-2024 , 03:56 AM
Turn bet 1/3, 1/2 pot? Standard bluff that avoids committing ourselves.

Or we just check behind and hope we bink a 6 that holds up.

At an Aria game I feel like we need to depend on our reads to decide if & when to put more money in.

Apparently we think villain is an observant thinking player, if we stick with the read that he is three-betting us very tight. If that is an accurate read (and tbh, i think people overestimate the tendency of live players to tighten only against opponents who enter fewer pots)... then probably I just surrender this hand.

But if we somehow soul-read he is so tight he could fold hands below 10s-full, then make the bluff.

A 1/3-1/2 bluff on turn should give us 3/4 - 1 pot bet left on the river if we are called and decide to go for it.
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