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08-09-2014 , 12:21 PM
The guy was a bit on the aggro side, had been 3betting like 10-15% from later positions. Is it fine to 4bet these kings with an ace blocker even though we're opening from utg?



PokerStars - $0.50 PL Hi (6 max) ZOOM - Omaha - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

BTN: $65.35
SB: $47.25
BB: $45.00
Hero (UTG): $54.74
MP: $50.00
CO: $70.92

SB posts SB $0.25, BB posts BB $0.50

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero has K K A T

Hero raises to $1.50, fold, fold, BTN raises to $5.25, fold, fold, Hero raises to $16.50
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08-09-2014 , 12:57 PM
it´s not even fine, it´s mandatory vs a 10-15 3bet range (10 or 15% though? makes quite a difference...)
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08-09-2014 , 01:12 PM
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Originally Posted by sauhund
it´s not even fine, it´s mandatory vs a 10-15 3bet range (10 or 15% though? makes quite a difference...)
+1. 4b & call 5bets / jam flops.
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08-09-2014 , 01:20 PM
I think it's fine but hate life when 5b lol
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08-09-2014 , 04:32 PM
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Originally Posted by sauhund
it´s not even fine, it´s mandatory vs a 10-15 3bet range (10 or 15% though? makes quite a difference...)
I see, I guess the 3bet stat doesn't converge until you have quite a large sample on villain so perhaps it can be skewed one way or another, also he might 3bet less vs UTG opens, we can't know that for sure! May I ask, what would be the % treshhold on his 3bet stat when we should start calling instead of 4betting if 1) we have 300 hands on opponent? 2) we have 20k hands on opponent, but can't know his 3betting stat vs UTG, 3) we have 20k hands on opponent and know he 3bets the same % vs utg opens?
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08-09-2014 , 05:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Kentan
I see, I guess the 3bet stat doesn't converge until you have quite a large sample on villain so perhaps it can be skewed one way or another, also he might 3bet less vs UTG opens, we can't know that for sure! May I ask, what would be the % treshhold on his 3bet stat when we should start calling instead of 4betting if 1) we have 300 hands on opponent? 2) we have 20k hands on opponent, but can't know his 3betting stat vs UTG, 3) we have 20k hands on opponent and know he 3bets the same % vs utg opens?
youre relying too much on your hud for a decision that should be a snap 4bet get it in vs an and aggro btn 3bet for 100bb. i dont give btn 3bets a whole lot of respect for most players 100bb i even see super nits 3bet the btn (large sample size) with a single suit small pair with ace blocker or random double suit trash. 4bet gii is longterm most profitable play.

Last edited by hockeyhero31; 08-09-2014 at 05:44 PM.
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08-09-2014 , 05:35 PM
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Originally Posted by sauhund
it´s not even fine, it´s mandatory vs a 10-15 3bet range (10 or 15% though? makes quite a difference...)
+1.

meant to quote this earlier
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08-10-2014 , 11:20 AM
std with said reads.
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08-10-2014 , 03:55 PM
From villains point of view, if he is purposely 3bing aces crackers (44% equity with position still affords implied pivot on who wins with this SPR) and aces + an extra 2% exclusively then you will be exploited with the 4b. Villain could have 3b to a lesser amount though unless he was another 10bb deeper or so. It's good to know how he plays QQ** and AK** AQ** , it seems like he raises often enough for you to 4b but you need to make good flop decisions and ahve a sound understanding of his preflop range - the flop is very significant. If he 5bs aces then we can expect this to happen 1/5 - 1/8 of the time and this is very nasty, especially if he has a polarised 3b range based on ace cracking in 4b pot + 3b pot positional advantage, the equity is just so bad vs AA here.

Personally I 4b all the time if he is aggro on BTN. Against someone with more of a brain though then he is going to be able to play post flop pretty well if he actually has a fold to 4b range preflop because he will remove hands that play bad against overpairs. PLayers without afold to 4b range then easy 4b. Otherwise I need (it depends on) me having a both perceived and/or actually wider 4b range gerenally
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08-10-2014 , 05:58 PM
i 4b, and fold to 5b, as who 5b jams non AA here?

Saying that I did get in Akj4 pre head up the other day and was ahead 100bbs, but thats another story
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08-10-2014 , 06:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Kingandtheduck
i 4b, and fold to 5b, as who 5b jams non AA here?

Saying that I did get in Akj4 pre head up the other day and was ahead 100bbs, but thats another story
wat? knowing that u wld fold premium KKxx i'd snap 5b my whole 3b-range
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08-10-2014 , 06:51 PM
how would you know? hands are'nt shown down when we fold so just because hero 4b fold once doesnt mean opp will 5b whole range, plus who 5b jams without AA here?

if we have reads V is a spazz the gii pre , readless im folding to 5b, btw 10-15% 3b on Btn is not that aggro
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