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08-22-2016 , 06:41 PM
hey guys nl player who is slowly playing more plo.

hero sb with AsJsKdQd

utg limps, mp pots, folds to hero, hero pots, utg folds mp calls.

flop: Jc5h7h

hero? 120 bb behind btw and no reads other than somewhat reggy looking
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08-22-2016 , 08:17 PM
If reggy I would check
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08-22-2016 , 11:38 PM
I like leading out here (though it's close) and we can reevaluate depending on how he reacts to it.
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08-23-2016 , 01:10 AM
check now. flat pre to keep utg in the hand, he is probably a fish and you will not be pushing much of an edge oop even with such a strong hand, better to play three way with someone who probably has **** for cards.
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08-23-2016 , 12:34 PM
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Originally Posted by OmahaFanatical4
check now. flat pre to keep utg in the hand, he is probably a fish and you will not be pushing much of an edge oop even with such a strong hand, better to play three way with someone who probably has **** for cards.
This isn't even remotely correct. We have a top 5% hand, we want to 3-bet it to push our equity edge and lower the SPR out of position. Easiest 3-bet ever especially from that position. How good of a hand do you need to push an edge because this hand is pushing between a 10% edge to a 20% edge depending on how loose or tight he is and we have no reads to go off of.

I would probably check call flop. We still have decent equity but don't want to GII and this helps protect our 3-bet check range. They shouldn't be able to go crazy because we should have QJT9 and T987 type rundowns in our range which smash this board and I would check call with those a percentage of the time oop as well.
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08-23-2016 , 01:30 PM
I also think that the 3bet is correct even if OOP.

OTF I think there are arguments for both donking and c/c. If you donk I think you need to fold if villain raises.
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08-27-2016 , 08:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Darkfangs
This isn't even remotely correct. We have a top 5% hand, we want to 3-bet it to push our equity edge and lower the SPR out of position. Easiest 3-bet ever especially from that position. How good of a hand do you need to push an edge because this hand is pushing between a 10% edge to a 20% edge depending on how loose or tight he is and we have no reads to go off of.

I would probably check call flop. We still have decent equity but don't want to GII and this helps protect our 3-bet check range. They shouldn't be able to go crazy because we should have QJT9 and T987 type rundowns in our range which smash this board and I would check call with those a percentage of the time oop as well.
Considering the nature of PLO being a 3 street game and position being paramount, juicing the pot here OOP can lead to Hero folding the best hand a ton on later streets. I understand what you saying is probably statistically and GTO correct but that assumes that the player makes the correct decisions post-flop which is much harder to do being out of position.
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08-27-2016 , 08:28 PM
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Originally Posted by paratrooper99
Considering the nature of PLO being a 3 street game and position being paramount, juicing the pot here OOP can lead to Hero folding the best hand a ton on later streets. I understand what you saying is probably statistically and GTO correct but that assumes that the player makes the correct decisions post-flop which is much harder to do being out of position.
Sure it is harder, nobody said making the right play is easy. If you are going to learn how to play correctly that should be all streets not just postflop. It is also going to be harder to better yourself as a player if you know the correct play and just don't make it, that is throwing money away. You will also never learn how to play 3-bet pots oop if you don't start doing it. Everyone has to start somewhere, we aren't poker gods right when we pick up the deck. We go through those situations and learn from it and review it off the table.
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08-28-2016 , 12:49 AM
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Originally Posted by paratrooper99
Considering the nature of PLO being a 3 street game and position being paramount, juicing the pot here OOP can lead to Hero folding the best hand a ton on later streets. I understand what you saying is probably statistically and GTO correct but that assumes that the player makes the correct decisions post-flop which is much harder to do being out of position.
Christ you're bad. It's bad enough you throw money away when you play. Try not to get others to do this if you're "giving advice".

3-betting preflop is absolutely mandatory because ESPECIALLY IN PLO we're trying to push an equity edge and this is one which leads to this....

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Sure it is harder, nobody said making the right play is easy.
the only way to get better is to get into difficult spots, navigate them, learn after the hand is over, rinse and repeat.
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08-28-2016 , 01:06 AM
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Originally Posted by paratrooper99
Considering the nature of PLO being a 3 street game and position being paramount, juicing the pot here OOP can lead to Hero folding the best hand a ton on later streets. I understand what you saying is probably statistically and GTO correct but that assumes that the player makes the correct decisions post-flop which is much harder to do being out of position.
Things we learned:
PLO is a 3 street game, we absolutely cannot play less than 3 streets.
Hero absolutely cannot fold the best hand, ever.
A play is "statically and GTO correct", but we still should do something else.
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