Playing 5/5 PLO with a $10 rock. If you win the previous hand, you become the rock which acts like a straddle. Sometimes people straddle on top of the rock for $20.
We have been playing for about an hour
Villain 2 - Lose, action player. Seems to overplay hands in some marginal spots.
Villain 1 - Older player, seems to be a pro. Might be tight or nitty (this is our perception at the moment)


Villain 2 $3.5K
Villain 1 $3K
Hero $1K

Preflop: Hero has 8 7 6 4 OTB
$20 straddle this hand, 2 folds, Villain 1 calls, Hero pots to$100, Villain 2 calls as the rock, straddler folds, Villain 1 calls

Flop: T 9 3
Check, Check, Hero checks

Turn: 7
Villain 2 bets $320, Villain 1 calls, Hero?

Is this an easy shove do you call and see the river and decide? I wasn't super worried about Villain 2, but Villain 1 has to have better than just 2 pair. There have also been not as many pot sized bets at this point.

I would call and play poker on the river.

What have you been showing when you raise PF? Big factor here IMO. Are you on a full range of hands or just AA/KKxx .. can you have run-downs here?

Your stack is also kind of awkward if you call the bet with no real way to improve. As you probably already know .. holding on in PLO is very difficult, especially against 2 V and you also don't even have the current nuts.

TBH .. in my Player Pool .. I'm folding a lot more than the average Player and I live with it. We have a wild Player who could be on a draw, but also have the nuts and a 'Pro' who is flatting instead of potting to isolate, which could be either IMO.

Depending on my image I probably stab at the Flop with $150-180 and then see if I get Donked into on this Turn. This way you can actually give yourself a 'free' River card by betting at a discount on the Flop, so to speak.

These are the tough PLO spots .. am I losing value by wimping out here? Certainly, but in the long run I'm way better mentally not dealing with these types of marginal hands not holding up at Showdown. I love the PF raise .. but we aren't nutted and don't have a path to the nuts either. They'll be another hand soon. GL

I'd shove; no real point in flatting at your stack depth if you think you are ahead.

Think pro should bet some of his j8xx hands on flop, more worried about whale having j8 but he has too many other hands to not like shoving.

We are short enough to jam turn. Not sure but we might be too short to pot pre. At 50bb we should be more focused on equity than visibility and balance.

Actually not a great spot as player 1 has lots of j8 here. Some reads are helpful as to how punty you think the player is.

Player 2 also has some j8 in his range.

Getting 1k more in dead vs j8 is very bad ev.

When we’re ahead we got like 70-75% which is good but that needs to happen often enough.

I’m guessing if player 1 is not a total nit you’re getting there. Not a slam dunk vs every player though and bad vs many.

why check a relatively dry flop when we raised pre if we don't know what to do on the turn?

why pot preflop with a marginal hand when we can bloat the pot later if we like where we're at?

as played, i let this one go on the turn. you're either beat or getting free rolled too often. V2 flatting ahead of you is concerning

Agree with crimsonchin and uberpron.

Thanks for the input. I just called the turn. River was a brick 5s, Villain 2 checked, Villain 1 potted, I called for my last ~$500, Villain 2 folded T9 face up. Villain 1 then mucked his cards after I called.

Hand is kind of a disaster tbh. I think turn is probably a fold a bunch with no redraws? Probably player specific but I think turn rip is better than call, but you are just going to jam into the nuts so often it feels like spew.

Then there’s the bunch of times we rip into something with 40% equity and lose anyway.

Hand tilts me.