Hero $4100 5/5 plo
Everybody has me covered besides a super tight old guy to my left. Old guy plays face up. The others are good players who can mix things up.

5 handed

AJJ5cc in BB. We are doing $10 btn straddle with $30 blind raise in sb.

Hero $100, CO calls.

Flop ($240) KJ7r no club
Hero $125, CO raise to $325, hero?

You call and see what’s up on turn, is CO limping all **** KK? Is he limping good KK?

It's possible he mixes up flatting and 3betting KK.

On the flop idk if he does this with top 2 pair. Plus we block a lot of those. I could see him doing it with KK and a big wrap as well. Since he's a decent player I think he might just flat with bottom set.

Sorry for some reason I thought he acted before you.

I mean if he only flats 77 which most of us would this deep, then he’s super heavy KK, and maybe AKQT etc, maybe some spaz players are doing this with the low inside wrap?

Doesn’t really matter anyway can only call and hate life when he values turn 7 lol.

I am an infrequent PLO player but looking to play more, in my mind, if properly rolled, this is one of the flops we want to see with a hand like JJxx. Is there no reason once you hit the card we want to hit to play this fast in the case that villians hand is a top wrap or bottom set?

I live in a pot heavy Player Pool environment, but what does your cbet and CO raise sizing say, if anything? You don't really give us any intel on yourself .. VPiP, 3bet range .. image and how it might affect how Players play against you.

Is the old guy UTG or CO? Why mention him if he's not in the hand? IMO 'on your left' is UTG, not CO .. but could be either I guess.

My assumption is that pots like this short-handed and deep are pretty common and I don't really see a huge reason to start dumping a lot of chips into the middle unless you're just ready to do so.

I would lean more towards 77xx and wraps from a IP Player who wants the betting lead. I can also see this from 'bad' KKxx, especially from a 'mix it up' Player profile.

I don't really think that WAWB applies to PLO very much, but this is as close as you can get possible when you consider over/under sets and wraps.

All I would do here is flat and see what the Turn brings. I guess the bigger question is what do we do on a blank Turn. Did CO do this in order to get a free River by taking the betting lead? GL

Seems like an easy call - he didn't pot the raise so I'd be more inclined to think he has less KK than you think.

Very standard call unless we are playing against some unbalanced nit who raises only top set.

Why not simply check this flop?

I'm reasoning that this is essentially a SRP, bloated due to straddles, but essentially it's a SRP EP vs CO and we are at the flop with SPR of like 16.7, which is even higher than a SRP with 100bb stacks. In a SRP with 100bb stacks you should be checking 98% of your range on this board and I feel like that's how I'd approach this spot.

Interesting .. so as PFR OOP with presumably range advantage we are giving free cards in PLO when playing deep?

Are you looking to pot control so that when any non-pairing Ace to 6 hits the Board you can still reasonably see the River?

I don't think that I'm going out on a limb to suggest that doing anything 98% of the time in poker is 'good' .. GL

Absolutely flat and see what happens on turn vs. a good player who can mix things up.

You are going out on a limb to suggest that, as solvers often make those types of plays.

Yes. Also, we do not have that large range advantage, if any, on this board. I suspect our ranges are very much aligned and I suspect villain actually has a small nut advantage. We are also getting the same cards as villain, and he's as very likely to charge himself for his hiqh equity draws.


Yes, pot control - we are at a positional disadvantage. Looking to see the river on most cards.

I saw another Thread where a Player suggested a Flop check OOP v c-bet, so certainly in the playbook more than I was applying it and the Solvers seem to agree .. still interesting.

How much (if any, at 98%) do we change our mindset on this if there's a flush draw present? I do tend to do more pot control on similar Boards when they do contain a flush draw whether I have it or not .. when OOP.

As another follow up, which really deviates from this Thread, how often do we feel we have to c-bet a flush draw Flop when we intend to use the naked Ace blocker as a bluff? I find that I'm getting called down on a much higher frequency (and lighter) when I delay c-bet v c-bet and the flush comes through on Turn or River. The naked Ace certainly seems way less believable if the flush hits the Turn and we don't bet until the River .. again, getting called down pretty light in these spots in my Player Pool. GL

Hey answer, yeah I mean you’ve probably done the same as me vs some player types, you check back the actual NFD in pos on flop and then just start piling money in with spaz raises in dumb spots to make it look as bluffy as pos. Almost feel like naked ace is always the more believable action lol.

i'm not giving up yet. no reason he can't have bottom set or a massive wrap. but you are against KKK a ton here. call the raise and try to get to showdown cheaply.