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01-04-2023 , 07:50 AM

DumbosTrunk

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Hi all,

Hero is playing 5/5/btn 25/sb $50 blind raise and overlimps AKJT7ds ssdd in EP. We go four ways to:

($200): JJ6cc. We flop A-high trips and a good boat draw. Checks to hero who bets $150. Only pro in sb calls. I think he’s been losing this session so far.

Turn ($500): 8h. Checks to hero, $375, call.

River ($1250): 2c. Obviously a bad card if he was drawing to a flush. He tanks a while and looks at hero and decides to bet $400. Hero? We are $3000 eff. on the river.

Thanks,
DT

Last edited by DumbosTrunk; 01-04-2023 at 08:01 AM.

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01-04-2023 , 09:47 AM

pokerfan655

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I don't think he calls the turn with just a bare NFD - maybe like NFD+79 or something to that effect. The good thing is your uncapped on the river so you could raise - I think his sizing is odd for FH's and of course we have our blocker. I think I'd raise - I'd be shocked if he played say J8/J6 this way, we can fold out flushes, and the fact that we bet multiple streets multiway we will have it a lot of the time.

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01-04-2023 , 03:55 PM

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journeyman

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I cant see a pro getting this far on just a flush draw. Must be J:cc or he has a boat somewhere

The river bet looks like a blocker bet with say J2 or J with flush

Feels tempting to pot him but hard to say without having a read on the player. Id lean towards not though, i often lose money trying to move people off hands

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01-05-2023 , 12:41 AM

ham on rye

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yeah he should never be getting here with just a flush draw. certainly looks a lot like J + flush, or even a hand like 66. but depending on player type, he could also be doing this with J8 and just didn't want to c/r the turn super deep when his hand is vulnerable. he can have all combos here since there was no raise pre, so like J8 with three littles is plausible.

raise or fold. very read / game flow dependent.

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01-05-2023 , 02:08 AM

monikrazy

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Mostly folding. Skilled villain may fold us off a chop or maybe a rare kj/qjxxx hand but don't think villain has many bluffs overall.

Turn bet is questionable to me, we don't want to bloat pot or face a xr and 8 is a pretty good card for villain range. There are lots of good runouts and opportunities to bluff-catch. Would consider alternative sizings.

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01-05-2023 , 02:38 AM

DumbosTrunk

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Ah ok, so results..I am interested in any feedback given results too about this player and this hand:

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V bets $400, hero read this for a block bet and raised to $1,200, V literally snap called with the nut flush with a 6 (AA6). Thoughts?

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01-05-2023 , 05:32 AM

Polarbear1955

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You just learned who you should value bet. If all they had was an over pair and NFD and called three quarters pot they can't be bluffed if they hit.

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01-05-2023 , 06:00 AM

OmahaDonk

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Raise pre this hand is awesome. I’m not betting turn letting him nearly crai with J8. As far as bluffing this river, if he’s stupid enough to chase a flush draw, then stupid enough to bet a flush..

I also think he’s uncapped here, I would flat with J8 some portion of the time on turn, definitely just calling J6

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01-05-2023 , 09:19 AM

pokerfan655

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Originally Posted by DumbosTrunk

Wow - is your image that bad because it's an extremely loose call on his end. The problem for him is you barreled two streets multi way and he blocks spades so you're going to have a lot of FH's when you raise the river.

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01-05-2023 , 10:03 AM

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journeyman

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Originally Posted by DumbosTrunk

You gave him a good price on the river 3.5-1 he doesnt need to be good often to be able to call.

He just thinks ur capable and hes getting a good price

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01-05-2023 , 10:18 AM

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DumbosTrunk

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Originally Posted by Round of 6

You gave him a good price on the river 3.5-1 he doesnt need to be good often to be able to call.

He just thinks ur capable and hes getting a good price

Is that an argument for going bigger, like $2k or pot?

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01-05-2023 , 10:18 AM

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DumbosTrunk

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Originally Posted by pokerfan655

You know I was wondering if he was getting a live read because he looked at me before he bet…maybe I looked like I didn’t like the river I don’t know.I should have a pretty tight image actually.

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01-05-2023 , 07:58 PM

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journeyman

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Originally Posted by DumbosTrunk

Is that an argument for going bigger, like $2k or pot?

I presume you know how the maths of value betting/bluffs works.

When you choose your sizing you just cant get it many bluffs.

Something like 1 bluff combo for every 4 value

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01-08-2023 , 11:12 PM

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ham on rye

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Originally Posted by DumbosTrunk

sounds like he is either steaming or has a very strong live read on you, because this line doesn't make much sense from someone you perceive as a pro. i do think you probably need to go bigger on river if you are bluffing, but even before we get that far it's an odd result given your description.

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