V1: Very Solid Rec player Stack $4500, UTG+1
V2: Aggressive Pro, Frequently 3b's. Stack $6500 but still stuck for the day, Button
Hero: Decent Rec, Stack $10k (profit about 8k), SB
V3: Fish, Stack 3k, Straddle

Folds to V1 who pots to $40, folds to V2 who repots to $140, Hero has KKQJ with spades and flats $140, V3 flats from the straddle. V1 repots to $700, V2 calls, Hero calls (thinking since the fish flatted before he would do the same the second time around). Fish decides to pot all in, V1 goes all in, V2 goes all in for $6500... Hero?

Hero is confident V1 has aces. Not exactly sure what V2 has but would not be surprised if it's double suited run down. No idea what V3 has.

Interested to hear about all 3 decision points. I'm not a fan of 4b the first time around since V1 could easily repot with aces. I think flatting is better than folding. The second time around, when it was $700 to call minus the $140 I already put in, I figure we were deep enough to call and thought the fish would flat. So I called.

Third time around, was not sure if calling off $6500 minus the $700 was a mandatory call. I definitely have an edge on most of the players at the table so didn't want to flip for $6500 of my stack. So I folded. This is the decision point I'm most curious what others have to say. Thanks!

I would have come to the same conclusion about the holdings of each player. I would have folded as well (acknowledging that might be the safe, but not necessarily correct play). I think V1s stack has to be a lot smaller so that I'd be playing a larger side pot HU against V2.

Likely 55/45 ahead of V2 for side pot #2
Likely less than 30% against V1 and V2 for side pot #1
Probably a little less than 25% against V1, V2, and V3 for main pot

Looking forward to someone with access to an equity calculator to see how close my assumptions are

I think it´s a fold unless it´s a game with uncapped buy-in and H is willing and financially comfortable with re-buying for huge piles of cash if losing. Equity-wise I think it might be +EV to jam here though, considering that V2 shouldn´t show up with aces here given the action so we should be ahead of his range for the sizeable side pot, but I don´t think chasing those few percents of +EV is necessarily worth it in such a deep-stacked game. Will do good for your table image if you play with these guys a lot though.

fold

play around with an equity calculator and you can see how bad shape kkqj is when it's 3 or 4 ways and up against at least aaxx.

It's probably a fold but an equity calc will give you the answer.

Agree with your reads and play it the same way folding as you did. V1 had AA 95% of the time and side pot isn’t big enough to warrant a call.

Was this at Legends?

definitely a +EV stack off, you are probably a money favourite for the main and definitely a money favourite for the side what more do u want

How do you figure you are a favorite for the main against obvious AA and two other hands?

If all 3 have AA we are huge favorites.

well I don't think we're the favourite I think we have > 25% equity. while our hand performs poorly against AA hu (2:1 dog) , it retains most of its equity as other hands are added in. Certainly we should have more than the 22% or so required (simplifying things by treating both the main and first side pot as the same pot).


although if we want to break it down further, we should be generating substantial +EV in the main and the second side pot. certainly more than we are losing in the first side pot, if we are indeed losing there.

Interesting spot. It's not hard to find plenty of scenarios in which you're a significant money favourite, and not many where you're a significant dog. Both V1 and V2 look like they're capable of reading you as 'not AAxx' and thus will themselves look to be isoing your money when you fold, realising that they have the odds to call but can increase their edge by getting you out. So I probably call too.

I fold at every decision point including first time around.

With an EP open and a 3b the probability someone has AA is too high.

If you somehow cold call and get to see a flop your SB and gonna have a hard time post flop