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5/5/10/20/40/80, 6k effective ISO with AA42ds, flop 952 Bdfd spr 3.3 5/5/10/20/40/80, 6k effective ISO with AA42ds, flop 952 Bdfd spr 3.3

08-22-2024 , 09:11 PM
Game is 5/5/10 PLO+NLH round of each. Lots of restraddling has been happening last few rounds in PLO.

Reads on villain from history is that he is a gambly rec and is not scared money. He is here more for the PLO as are most of the recreational players at the table.

Hero is a NLH pro, image with villain is a solid holdem reg or pro, knows I don't play much PLO.

5/5/10/20/40/80, 6k effective. 9 handed, action is call, call, call, SB folds, hero in second blind raises to 555 with AhAc4h2c. Folds to second limper who calls.

Flop $1,665, 952, 1 club. Hero checks, villain snap pots with 3.8k back. Hero? Is flop worth leading, and for what size?
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08-23-2024 , 12:19 AM
Standard pot gii for 2-3Spr. Don’t check and let him get a free turn, it will be awkward for that Spr on too many cards: k,Q,j,t,8,7,6
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08-23-2024 , 02:10 AM
In addition to the main question, any insight into what the snap pot might mean?
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08-23-2024 , 03:12 AM
Sorry I read it as 3.8k eff into 1700 but I understand now it’s 3.3SPR. I still think you have enough to pot get it in. That said facing his snap pot I think you’re looking at 2pairs, maybe some sets and pair+wrap kinda hands. Vs that your equity is not great and I think you could make a lay down if villain is not too crazy.
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08-23-2024 , 05:59 AM
Pot/gii.

You need to learn flops and SPR like this because they happen a lot in Omaha (this for example is a ~3-bet pot SPR, rainbow board with low connectivity). You have to be able reason them in in table (Equity range advantage, dynamic board, nut disadvantage) and/or just simply learn all the spots.

There's a lot of automatic spots like these in Omaha unlike in Texas and if you don't know them you will be burning a lot of money.

As played you can probably fold.

Edit: Meh gutshot, NBDFD. Do whatever.

Last edited by Imaginary F(r)iend; 08-23-2024 at 06:09 AM.
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08-23-2024 , 09:09 AM
Avoid confusion in these hand histories by specifying both spr and stack depth as numbers or just the stack depth, don't just do the spr.

Tight, good players don't get to this flop with many weak hands that might chase but you're doing well against - like 6679ss or something. Loose, bad players get to this spot with a lot of weak hands that will want to continue, as well as likely misplay those hands. They may also check back some hands that a) would fold now but can catch up and beat you) or b) can bluff you. Together that makes a bet-call very attractive.

You also need to take care to specify that '1 club' means 'rainbow board'. That's very different to '1 club but 2 diamonds'.
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08-23-2024 , 01:32 PM
With these crazy straddles I am limp raising pre. As played I am potting flop and calling off.
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08-23-2024 , 02:14 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by wazz
Avoid confusion in these hand histories by specifying both spr and stack depth as numbers or just the stack depth, don't just do the spr.

Tight, good players don't get to this flop with many weak hands that might chase but you're doing well against - like 6679ss or something. Loose, bad players get to this spot with a lot of weak hands that will want to continue, as well as likely misplay those hands. They may also check back some hands that a) would fold now but can catch up and beat you) or b) can bluff you. Together that makes a bet-call very attractive.

You also need to take care to specify that '1 club' means 'rainbow board'. That's very different to '1 club but 2 diamonds'.
Thanks for the advice.

Rainbow board.
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08-29-2024 , 02:06 PM
Thanks for the feedback guys. I don't have a ton of hours in Omaha includes vs villain, have mainly only played holdem with him. I vaguely felt that an overpair, gutshot, pair on board, and bdfd might be good enough to stack off here, but I didn't know what villain was capable of. I thought there would be a lot of 2 pair and sets in villain's range. Still not sure what to make overall of his snap action.

I end up tank folding and villain shows a 633, no 4th card.

Still not sure what the best approach is here. Check call, check GII, pot GII? Is a smaller bet ever a good idea?

I know I could understand these spots a lot better if I studied, but right now I still am not putting enough volume in at PLO for it to make a ton of sense to put in a lot of time and money into studying. Maybe if I started playing this game weekly bit as it stands it isn't even making weekly.
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08-29-2024 , 03:12 PM
So you don't want to study a spot but you don't know what the best line is when everybody (4 ppl ITT) who have studied this spot tell you that it is pot/gii?
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08-29-2024 , 09:14 PM
Re: learn flops and SPR like this because they happen a lot in Omaha

OK, how would I go about doing this? In my mind I was thinking of something like PLO Mastermind. All I am saying is I am not going to purchase something like PLO mastermind to try to study PLO spots at this time like I have GTO Wizard for studying holdem which I spend a good amount of hours per week on among other sources of studying the game. If I do end up playing significantly more PLO I probably will end up purchasing something like PLO Mastermind.

If there are other ways of studying I could engage in for PLO for free or at different price points, I am all ears.
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08-30-2024 , 12:24 AM
flop is either a bet big / call or check / jam.


Both are ok options at this SPR; check is more of an exploit vs opponents who bet too light. Pot/call is more standard.

There really isn't that much studying required in this particular spot- with a SPR of ~2.25 Hero can comfortably stack off on most dry textures; with 2 low cards on the flop this is about as good as it gets, plus the gutshot is a fairly clean equity.


Not a good texture for a small cbet - it helps villain play perfectly, while Hero will be left guessing whether AA is still good unimproved on many runouts.

Last edited by monikrazy; 08-30-2024 at 12:29 AM.
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09-04-2024 , 07:19 AM
Gii.
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