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4bet pot w/AA facing donk bet on turn 4bet pot w/AA facing donk bet on turn

01-12-2022 , 06:34 PM
Is this a fold on the turn or am I pot committed? Villian wasn't getting too out of line over a smallish sample. I'm assuming if its checked to me on the turn its a shove?

Pot Limit Omaha $0.25/$0.50
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6 players
Formatted by pokercopilot.com: Poker HUD for Mac and Windows

Stacks:
UTG - UTG ($25.88)
MP - MP ($67.06)
CO - Hero ($126.57)
BTN - BTN ($25.00)
SB - SB ($17.00)
BB - BB ($51.51)

Preflop: ($0.75, 6 players) Hero is CO with 8 A A J
UTG raises to $1.75, MP raises to $3.50, Hero raises to $13.00, 3 folds, UTG calls $11.25, MP calls $9.50

Flop: 7 7 K ($39.75, 3 players)
UTG checks, MP checks, Hero bets $10.00, 1 fold, MP calls $10.00

Turn: J ($59.75, 2 players)
MP bets $44.06 (all-in)

Spoiler:
, Hero calls $44.06

River: 2 ($147.87, 2 players, 1 all-in)

Total Pot: $147.87
MP shows 2 K 2 K (a full house, Kings full of Sevens)
Hero shows 8 A A J (two pair, Aces and Sevens)

MP wins $145.87
01-12-2022 , 07:46 PM
I guess you can peel flop but turn is definitely a fold as most are not going berserk unless they can beat one pair and your hand is face up as AA. Population tendencies 3! AA and KK with mostly flatting KK versus a 4! IME. So not the best flop given you have two aces and no kings.
01-13-2022 , 03:32 PM
I agree. Villain shouldn't be betting unless they have a full house to beat your AA77. They could have KK or a double suited rundown that includes a 7 and J, such as JT87. In any case, you can't beat them unless they are a player that makes serious mistakes or impulsive bluffs. (Written before I look at your Spoiler).
01-13-2022 , 06:31 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gr33nChips 4bet pot w/AA facing donk bet on turn
I agree. Villain shouldn't be betting unless they have a full house to beat your AA77. They could have KK or a double suited rundown that includes a 7 and J, such as JT87. In any case, you can't beat them unless they are a player that makes serious mistakes or impulsive bluffs. (Written before I look at your Spoiler).
I agree with folding if your opponent is never bluffing. As played I believe you must call. The SPR is likely too low, and you have some equity versus a 7 that hasnít filled up. While your hand may be somewhat face up, you have some of the better aces to call with. Probably call all AAKx and construct from there.
01-14-2022 , 11:48 AM
That's it guys pack it up, poker is dead. We 4bet AAds and can just fold 1 SPR with overpair and NFD because villain always has KK.

Maybe we can try chess next, I like the horses.
01-14-2022 , 05:03 PM
Without any real "overbluffing", it's probably a fold:

ProPokerTools Omaha Hi Simulation
84,000 trials (Exhaustive)
board: K77J
Hand Pot equity Wins Ties
AcAhJh8c28.55% 21,9434,080
(KJ,KK,7,(K:cc),(K,J):ss,As*sK,Q,J,T,98)):5%71.45% 57,9774,080

More interesting is flop:

ProPokerTools Omaha Hi Simulation
2,792,100 trials (Exhaustive)
board: K77
Hand Pot equity Wins Ties
AcAhJh8c40.05% 871,991492,561
5%59.95% 1,427,548492,561

...and it only gets much worse vs. assumed calling ranges. Changing K to a Q flips the %s.

Even more generic:

ProPokerTools Omaha Hi Simulation
600,000 trials (Randomized)
board: K**
Hand Pot equity Wins Ties
AcAhJh8c40.00% 193,04993,910
5%60.00% 313,04193,910

Last edited by illiterat; 01-14-2022 at 05:11 PM.
01-15-2022 , 05:25 PM
Is x calling flop, lead turn boat is the new line now?
I ask seriously.

For me i dont see why villian should call floop leqd turn with locked down hand vs capped range.
I got some extra outs and i will call.
in case villian has me dead with KK im just gonna takr a note and navigate from there vs him in the future.
I picked out some outs vs 7x(which make a little more sense to me in this line) so its hard for me to lay this down.

And BTW, i asked seariosuly.

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01-17-2022 , 07:13 PM
True, if villain has 7xxx there are flush outs. But only 18% equity against that had. To make this call profitable, it seems to me that Villain would have to be bluffing pretty frequently.
Yesterday , 02:38 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by mayonnaise1 4bet pot w/AA facing donk bet on turn
Is x calling flop, lead turn boat is the new line now?
I ask seriously.

For me i dont see why villian should call floop leqd turn with locked down hand vs capped range.
I got some extra outs and i will call.
in case villian has me dead with KK im just gonna takr a note and navigate from there vs him in the future.
I picked out some outs vs 7x(which make a little more sense to me in this line) so its hard for me to lay this down.

And BTW, i asked seariosuly.

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I think donking turn is very reasonable for villain when he has way more 7x and KK than we do.
Yesterday , 09:16 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by yasuo 4bet pot w/AA facing donk bet on turn
I think donking turn is very reasonable for villain when he has way more 7x and KK than we do.
But when the SPR is that low and we can GII on river why should we donk this turn?
And does donking here is capped for 7x !boat?
In order to make it a balance spot, what is our bluffs here? QJT9 that called flop? In this case, AA+NFD+ J has to call

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