Villain is playing 31/23/2.8 with 9,4% 3bet, he checks behind on the flop very quickly.


Grabbed by Holdem Manager
PL Omaha $10(BB)
SB ($1,685)
Hero ($1,035)
CO ($1,867)
BTN ($2,517)

Dealt to Hero 8 K J A

CO raises to $20, BTN raises to $75, fold, Hero raises to $250, fold, BTN calls $175

FLOP ($525) T 4 5

Hero checks, BTN checks

TURN ($525) T 4 5 9

Hero bets ?

Pot flop.
You have enough equity with three overs and lots of backdoor draws.
He's folding the flop a decent % of the time.

I usually bet 1/3 - 1/2 pot in 4bet pots, I figured I couldn't really bet half pot and call a raise, so I went for the check.

This is something that confuses me: I can full pot and price myself in to call a raise, I can half pot and potentially make a bad fold.

With a SPR of 1,5 you should be very rarely bet-folding, since you get such great odds when he shoves.

In the spots when your opponent thinks you are never bet-folding it is better to just bet big and charge him the maximum price and hope he makes an incorrect decision.
On this flop you have lots of folding equity and you should utilize it.

On top of that you have 30% equity even against a monster like 5678.

That seems pretty fundemental, maybe I should study some more.

Thanks for the answer

-cold 4betting this hand is terribad
-cbetting the flop is mandatory,b/f $200 or b/c $400
depending on your general cbet-strat in 3- and 4bet pots
-as played....close eyes and pot/call turn

this hand might be too weak for cr flop so I would bc flop

as played bc turn

what are we repping when we take this line? i dont know many hands that we could have in our 4betting range that we can profitably do this with.

i'd b/c the flop, as we do have some bd outs if we do run into the very few hands that have us crushed. as played, bet the turn and price ourselves in for the call.

also, preflop i think it could go either way between c/f/3b, given villain's 3betting a decent amount.

please someone explain why cold4balling pre is so bad?

inflating the pot with a dominated hand oop?

yes,we fold out some KK* ,A**, but thats it.
howcan this play ever be +ev?

for me this is like cold4betting a suited connector in Nl-Holdem,
just with less FE.

your 3-,4-,x-bet range should be favorite vs the range of your opponent.
plus some deceptive hands mixed in.

this hand isn`t favorite nor is it deceptive.

4bet can be fine, depending on the initial opener

you def have to give some more numbers or reads if you want to have input on cbetting the flop or not
turn is c/f against most

yea c/f turn his range improves a lot..he calls u with fds etc...

Co was a pretty big fish, minraising with all sorts of crap, I think his 3betting range is really wide. It's marginal, but I don't hate it.

I do, however, hate my flop check and my turn bet

This entire hand feels like we are floating on air, somehow planning to land at the right spot. This would have to be some kind of sophisticated play in just the right circumstances.

It makes me think about hyper aggro dynamics, and yet I come up empty when I try to grasp it.

Sorry I cant add much more. Hope this becomes a 100 page thread eventually.....

I don't see anything wrong with the 4 bet at all.

I realize I forgot to mention that SB was a fish, playing 60/25/1 or something, which makes BTN's 3betting range alot wider.

That being said, I think most 4handed 5/10 games are pretty aggressive, making the 4bet acceptable and on the flop we can make him fold alot of hands that should be calling, partly cause he cannot know he should call, partly because people generally hate to call with gutshots.
Should he call, it's good for image as this is probably at the bottom of our range.

On top of this, Hero can be immune to variance, and Villain might not be, so any play that is breakeven or very close to, is by definition good: If this was a game of endless coinflips, whoever had the biggest roll would win, if we are properly rolled, we should engage in as many flips as possible to wear out our opponents.

no offense.

for me this sounds like
"how to justify my gambling,how to convince myself"

i always thought,the goal is to be in as less variance (gambling) spots as possible.

The goal is to be in the biggest +EV spots, as often as possible

Here we have a situation that is probably very close to even, hopefully alittle +EV with the dead 25$ - I'm too lazy to make the big calculations, but i'm pretty sure i'm right.
The downside is that there's alotta variance.
But remember there is also alot of variance for our opponent, and we give him the oppurtunity to make a bad fold on the flop or preflop, plus we can put our opponent on tilt, or threaten his bankroll, which makes him move down and leave the rich flounders to me.

If you're afraid to gamble, move down to where everybody else is also afraid to gamble and grind it out..

But then again; If you're too careful, your whole life can become a ****ing grind.

Disagree. Sure variance can suck, but if you have a reason, you shouldn't have a problem pushing variance.

Here mostly reason would be, wide range of btn, decent hand which dominate a lot of trash he 3bets/call with, and we rep a really strong range, so he should make incorrect fold (or call) pre and postflop (mostly KK/QQ ish hands).

I don't necessarly agree with this play given so few reads, but I don't find it horrible in the right spot.

Basically, I want to make villain fold as much of his equity as I can without straight spewing to do the job. Variance is not a factor to me (well at least I try, but i still shy out sometimes).