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Old 09-13-2021, 12:29 AM   #1
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3bp - top two

6max effective stacks 75bb.

Hero opens AQT4from CO to 3.5bb, BTN villain 3bets 12bb. Hero calls, with no read on villain.

Flop (25.5bb): AQ3
Hero checks, villain checks back.

Turn (25.5bb): AQ35
Hero bets 13bb, villain raises pot, hero?

Almost puked when getting raised on the turn. What would you do? Any advice is appreciated
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Old 09-13-2021, 06:01 PM   #2
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Re: 3bp - top two

Why did you check the flop? Despite saying "no read on villain", when you check you had to have been thinking or concluding something.
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Old 09-13-2021, 10:36 PM   #3
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Why did you check the flop? Despite saying "no read on villain", when you check you had to have been thinking or concluding something.
you must of mis read the hand. he checked to the 3bettor
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Old 09-13-2021, 10:51 PM   #4
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I think it's a fold. You're still uncapped - odd line for a bluff
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Old 09-14-2021, 04:26 AM   #5
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you must of mis read the hand. he checked to the 3bettor
What does that have to do with what I said?
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Old 09-14-2021, 04:37 AM   #6
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What does that have to do with what I said?
I check the flop because A high flop is very good for 3bettor's range
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Old 09-14-2021, 02:59 PM   #7
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Flop is an obvious check, I would fold turn. AQ4 seems like a super mandatory call in theory but this spot feels pretty underbluffed, I would fold in the online pools that I play in since they don't 3-bet enough and check flop with AA more often than they should
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Old 09-14-2021, 03:03 PM   #8
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Is checking back this flop a thing? Maybe being results oriented, but checking turn might be best. Our range is really weak when we check twice and this hand seems like a nice hand to protect our range. When we bet turn he's gonna fold his air and you're not super exited to play rivers against his calling range(lots of bad river cards). As played, don't think I could fold turn. We have like the perfect hand to call down, blocking wheels, blocking sets, unblocking hearts.
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Old 09-14-2021, 03:53 PM   #9
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Is checking back this flop a thing?
Nope, to clarify when I said human players "check flop with AA more often than they should", they really shouldn't be checking back almost ever so any noticeable frequency is too much. Which is why I fold turn against an unknown human even though we are relatively high up in our range XD
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Old 09-14-2021, 06:37 PM   #10
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I check the flop because A high flop is very good for 3bettor's range
It's very good for the hand you played too.

But if this was your thinking, then why did you bet the turn? (And a bet that screams "please raise me and take the pot" too.)

One answer could be you bet hoping he'd fold suited middle wrap cards or KKQ9 type hands. If that's the case you should fold to his raise because you go back to thinking he has a better hand than you and AQ is beat and drawing slim to a deuce at best.

If you do assume this flop is very good for his range, you should never be betting. Check the turn and see what he does.
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Old 09-15-2021, 12:36 AM   #11
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Nope, to clarify when I said human players "check flop with AA more often than they should", they really shouldn't be checking back almost ever so any noticeable frequency is too much. Which is why I fold turn against an unknown human even though we are relatively high up in our range XD
Is it GTO to check back AA with the NFD?
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Old 09-15-2021, 02:54 AM   #12
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i'm not sure for 75bb, but I think its extremely low frequency checkback for pretty much anything at 100bb
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Old 09-16-2021, 06:41 PM   #13
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V just has Aces with hearts, maybe aces with some combination of KJT here like 150% of the time lol. Can't really think of many hands that u beat that suddenly decide to spazz out instead of Cbetting flop. This is a 4bet pre though depending on stats I guess.
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Old 09-17-2021, 12:32 AM   #14
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V just has Aces with hearts, maybe aces with some combination of KJT here like 150% of the time lol. Can't really think of many hands that u beat that suddenly decide to spazz out instead of Cbetting flop. This is a 4bet pre though depending on stats I guess.
valid point about 4bet pre. but vs population who doesn't 3bet aggressively enough, we should reduce our lighter 4bet I suppose?
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Old 09-17-2021, 03:31 PM   #15
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Yeah. I normally just do it if a guy is 3betting like 20% or more. Cause vs somebody tighter I don't think it's printing.
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