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11-21-2023 , 02:35 PM
2/5 PLO, Villain 1 is laggy, could be laggy good, could be laggy bad. I have seen them player higher stakes. They have are around 30% VPIP preflop and don't fold to 3 bets.

Villain 2 is very loose. They are around 50% VPIP and I have them marked as a bad player.

We are 5 handed
Hero 100BB in SB
Villain 1 150BB in UTG
Villain 2 80BB in BB

Preflop: Hero has A K J T in SB
UTG raises to 3.4BB, 2 folds, Hero raises to 11.2BB, BB calls, UTG calls

Flop: T 6 3 (Pot 33.6BB)
Hero bets 18BB, Villain 2 - BB calls, Villain 1 - UTG raises all-in, Hero?

Going to run this through a solver. I think after I bet the flop, I am pretty much committed here against these to players?
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11-21-2023 , 03:30 PM
I think this board is close to a pure check. That's how I would be playing it. Check fold here, but if you had two hearts then xr.

Given the spot you are in against two opponents, I think it's a fold without the flush draw.
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11-21-2023 , 05:50 PM
I think the 3b pre is debatable given we're OOP and have no nut suits. Would never bet this flop
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11-21-2023 , 06:46 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by pokerfan655
Would never bet this flop
You have A A T 6 - what do you do?
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11-22-2023 , 03:46 AM
x/f this flop multiway
What range hands are we hoping to be up against and doing well?
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11-22-2023 , 01:18 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by MarkD
You have A A T 6 - what do you do?
bet it of course
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11-22-2023 , 02:57 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by pokerfan655
bet it of course
My point, poorly made, was that you said you would "never bet this flop," and I am saying there are hands within our range where we would potentially bet this flop. I lean towards pure checking my entire range and I thought you were saying the same thing, but now I see you were just talking about the specific hand.
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11-22-2023 , 03:41 PM
Does 6789hearts lead out for a bet?
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11-22-2023 , 04:15 PM
So, I like this hand because I'm learning a lot studying it.

Quote:
Originally Posted by IntheFold
Does 6789hearts lead out for a bet?

I think it depends on if we have a leading strategy at all. Obviously if pure check then no, and this is probably what I would be doing in game.

But Flophero actually likes betting about 12% of it's range here, and this is why it would be a pure check for me because I'm not studied enough to know what that 12% looks like.

Value Range:
  • It appears it wants to be hands like top two, as it's betting 66% of the T6 combos. Betting without the flush, checking with the flush.
  • T3 - it bets 100% but it only has this rarely, AAT3, AKT3ds, AQT3ds - and note that the ds hands cannot have hearts as it would never 3bet AxKxTy3y

Bluff Range:
  • 78hh
  • 98hh
  • 987hh
  • 54hh
  • hh without a T seems to be a strong bet, especially with the Ah or Kh, but if we have a T then we are leaning towards check strongly.

So, we have more "bluff" hands than we have value hands in our betting range, which I believe is correct theoretically. But we are mostly checking here, with like 90% of our range, so keep that in mind.

For AAT6 is a pure check actually - it's simply too strong and we block too much of the continuing range of our opponents. The same hand, without the hearts, or with just a single heart, is a bet.

So, I think I can begin to incorporate betting these spots in a balanced way now that I've looked at this.

edit: I think 2+2, and the population, is strongly misplaying this type of situation. It looks like a lot would get this hand right, but that's because it's a bottom of range type hand.
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11-23-2023 , 01:07 AM
I prefer to be double suited to three bet generally. As played, well first the flop bet is bad, we don't even have one heart and are hoping somehow they both whiffed. Very optimistic. But once we bet, lets say we need 25%, which we will have if they both have draws or something like that. But if we are vs superior made hand and draw then our equity could easily be in the 18% range. I guess we kind of have to go with it though just because of how good the pot odds are. Decent chance they both have hearts at least. Shouldn't have too many set combos, although they obviously both like their hands so who knows.
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11-24-2023 , 12:15 PM
Thanks for the responses. I was bit lost as to what the best line was.
I bet 1/2 pot on the flop, BB calls, UTG shoved. At this point I was pretty committed so I shoved and so did BB.

BB had Qd9h8c7d
and UTG had AhJh9c4s, and the board ran in our favor.
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