I was at the table where the winning hand scooped with a flopped Royal Flush and rivered four of a kind. The action on Omaha double board bomb pots is insane! Why isn’t it everywhere?

Link to the hand

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Bomb pots are moving their way across the country. It does take time to write something up for Gaming oversite for the regulated rooms.

1) Lots of the Nits don't like them .. too much action.
2) Casino charges extra rake since they take longer
3) Cuts into Dealer hand rate .. which may cut into Dealer income

So there are pluses and minuses .. and it's fun to see some of the tightest Players lose their stack when they go nuts on only one Board and end up getting scooped. GL

Played PLO Double Board at the Horseshoe in Vegas on my last visit. Amazing, amazing game. People are really bad at it.

My rooms all do it; however, some people hate them and say they are killing poker. I love them. Your Mom is correct in how bad most players are at it.

I saw my first PLO DBBP last week in my 1/2 NL game, and it was the most beautiful thing I have ever seen at a poker table. People have no idea what they are doing, the action is insane, and the chaos/confusion causes lots of drama that the recs love... more cool poker stories to tell! And omg, the tilt... people don't understand why they got scooped and just lose their minds for the rest of the session until they felt themselves.

Double board PLO bomb pots are amazing when people don't play them that often and they are new to the game. Especially when the new players are playing really deep.

However, things change a bit the more bomb pots are played. First, people don't play quite as bad. The other thing that happens is people take a long time to play bomb pots. There is constant tanking. Then there are shortstackers. A lot of times the short stackers are bad, but you won't win a ton of money off of them. Then there is the problem of pots being multiway, and it is possible for some players to play bad and although they hurt their EV, they cause your EV to tank also. Typically when players are in pots they should not be in, especially when they are betting a hand they should not bet from an early position, bloating the pot and sometimes leading to raises, leading to you either folding a lot of equity or putting a ton of money in with nutted but vulnerable and potentially 1 way hands.

And these people bloating the pot often are short stacked, but then you have to continue against other players who are much deeper.

Ultimately, the hands end up taking a long time to deal, sometimes taking care of side pots and calculating the pot can take a long time, and then a lot of times the end result is a chop or multiple chops in the side and main pots.

Basically you are hoping you get the mega nuts and scoop someone for a lot , preferably in a multiway pot. Or at least win half of a multiway main pot and maybe scoop a side pot.

And then there is the variance. Massive coolers. Situations where one player has top set on top board and a combo draw on the bottom board, and the other player has top set on the bottom board and a combo draw on the top board. Sure nice to be flipping ultra deep and lose.

There is a local game that is 1/3 NLHE that plays deep and frequently with straddles, but there are double board PLO bomb pots every orbit when the bomb pot button crosses the dealer button and also every 30 minutes on dealer change. It used to be either on orbit or dealer change, but now with the additional bomb pots, a certain type of player is attracted who likes bomb pots, plays shallow, limps a lot when playing NLHE (resulting in multiway small pots that take a long time), doesn't straddle, and tanks endlessly in bomb pots over trivial stupid decisions. Gee, tank folding for one minute with the same nut flush draw on both boards, which are both paired, and 0 other things going on with your hand when other players have committed huge portions of their stack? Lovely.

Granted, these are Texas games where the straddle can be up to $15 and people are sitting on 1k, 2k, or even larger stacks and playing HORRIBLE. But they are getting replaced more and more by the 200-500 stack no-straddling, limping every hand, tank forever in bomb pots recreational player. It's greatly decreasing the quality of game.

Alternatively, some tables dedicated to PLO bomb pots have popped up too. In one varient, as many cards as possible are dealt in the deck, 5 card, 6 card, or 7 card omaha style. I even saw a game that was 2 handed and dealt 14 cards to each player. No burn card. The whole deck was being used.

The consensus about tables dedicated to double board PLO bomb pots is that they are short stacked, nut-peddling bingo, chop-pot fests. On top of it all, people don't tip as much because of the chopped pots which take longer, and people are sitting on shorter stacks anyways, so dealers typically don't like dealing these games either.

So, imo, for winning poker players that understand double board bomb pots, the best way to have them is no more than once every 30 minutes at deep stacked NLHE tables where players don't play much omaha and are generally bad at double board PLO. Avoid creating tables where short stacked slow recs are coming just to play the bomb pots.

Bomb pots can be a very profitable opportunity but also can be very frustrating and not great for the game under certain circumstances.

I don't really agree that bomb pots lead to that much tanking - it might be more indicative of a particular player pool or casino.

But I agree that once every 30 minutes or 1hr is a good frequency. I also agree short stacks can hurt bomb pots (or any omaha game) since their decisions to get it in are much easier and bigger stacks can be forced off too much equity.

It could also be a function of how deep some players are playing - bigger pots (in bb) lead to more tanking as a rule.

*3 handed

PLO bombs can break a table very quickly.. shorter sessions means less rake for House and tips for Dealers.

They would be much less taxing if only one Board was put out .. but lots of Players enjoy the potential blood bath.

We do them at pushes and when a new Player sits .. so you could have 2 or 3 in one down or just one. GL

In response to Mlark's post...

I had been playing in 1/2 NL games where the bomb pots happened every dealer change with $3 antes and a $300 cap. These were a lot of fun.

Last night, I played in a 1/2 game where the bomb pots happened every dealer change and every time the buttons connected with $5 antes and no cap. It was honestly just kind of annoying. I mean, are we actually going to play some NL? The 5-6 bomb pots/hour were taking 20 minutes out of each hour. And yes, the shortstackers are an issue. The tanking wasn't too bad, but it was indeed happening a lot more than it does in NL simply due to the massive pots and the players being confused about their hand strengths. And yes, the quality of play was a little bit better since these guys had more experience. It was still a spewfest, but more of the players seemed to understand that middle 2 pair or small flushes suck if that's all you have.

So ya, my early impression is that bomb pots are good for the games. But that turning NL games into 20 minutes/hour of bomb pots is a bit silly.

Yes! This is my point.

Was playing 1/2/5 last night. MAWG utg wins a 4k bomb pot, guess what he does next? QUITS. Now the victims just rebought for the min. BP's are bad for the game.

Read that as PAWG utg, was much more interesting.

We play a RxRxR on Thursdays .. NLxPLOxBP .. and the Players love it! Of course it's just $3 rake and some food is provided. Thursday is an overlap day in our area with 5 rooms competing for Players on the same night. (In Michigan rooms can only operate 4 days a week per Charity Regulations)

During the BP orbit there's one PLO BP and all the rest are NL .. all BP are $5 ante.

While there are some Players who will sit out either the PLO or BP orbit it's generally a nice 'casual' evening and there aren't the number of usual 'fits' that occur in this room when it's just NL. LOTS of the Players don't even have an interest in the NL orbit and go to smoke or bathroom.

This event has basically 'saved' this room's Thursday .. otherwise most Players go to the other rooms since this room operates M-Th. They are sick of each other by Thursday and go seek the other Players.



Our regional casino has both 1/2 NL (50-300) and 1/3 NL-BP (100-500) for the Players who want to play a bit deeper and also get into the BP realm. Are there some cash-n-dashers? Yes, but typically theses Players know what they are getting into and have the BR to have decently long sessions. GL

I hear this argument that fish love BP's and I dont believe it. They may say that because it's the only chance they have to win a big pot but they mostly lose those too and causes the same kind of disruption to the gameflow that is bad for the game; namely the money goes the wrong direction.

I just saw another BP fiasco. Weird laggy OMC turns 2nd nut flush playing 1 board and is dead. Loses $1500 stack. Immediately gets up and table changes and uncharacteristically shortbuys (80BB for him) and is obvious tilted and suddenly playing like a nit.

BP's are bad for the game.

They played double-board BPs every dealer change at 1/2 PLO at Aria and Wynn. I thought it was great. Almost everyone played every time, and those who went bust bought back in. Everyone seemed to love them.

I scooped a big DB bomb at 5/5 PLO. People really do go nuts. I am still trying to figure it out.

It is insane. I scooped a >$1,500 DBBP ($20, eight handed) in 1/2 PLO w/ nut straight and two pair. One player had second straight on top w/ nothing on bottom, and the other player had two draws to non-nuts.

Call.

This certainly explains why they are so profitable. Fish hate to fold winners. To them the idea of letting 1 board go is preposterous. They just want to win hands and a BP is like playing 2 hands to them. They never play to scoop. I see the most monumental punts that always involve someone jamming 10x pot holding something like KK even if the other board has an ace because to them KK is at least winning one board and you'd be insane to fold KK on a Q82r flop ordinarily.

Yep. I folded the nuts on the bottom board two nights ago because it was a straight (so easy to hit for anyone) and there were four other people interested in the hand. I had nothing on the top board. Turns out I would have gotten half, so a little tilting, but I just couldn't imagine what they could have. Turns out top board was full house over quads, one guy folded (what on earth could he have had), and the shortstack won the bottom board with the second nut straight. Ugh.

In NL?? I don't think you can fold the current nuts in NL at any time .. if you get quartered then so be it. I guess you can consider the amount of BB you will 'have' to put in by Showdown and then reconsider if the Board changes.

That's the intrigue with BP .. you can choose to play passively trying to protect your stack or just go all-in and risk getting quartered.



I heard a new twist on these yesterday .. ULTIMATE BPs .. where the best hand actually does win the whole pot. Like you could hold the nut straight on one Board but lose to a flush on the other! Certainly speeds things up at Showdown .. GL

No, PLO. Most of our bomb pots are DBPLO. I would have snapped in NLHE.