Villian is a bit of a maniac regular I have him playing 51/31 w/ 17% 3b over 340 hands but he seems to be very solid postflop. Does anyone play this differently?


Full Tilt Poker $1/$2 Pot Limit Omaha Hi $0.30 Ante - 6 players
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SB: $540.30
BB: $536.65
UTG: $107.85
Hero (MP): $1397.95
CO: $96.95
BTN: $151.90

Pre Flop: ($4.80) Hero is MP with 2 A A 5
1 fold, Hero raises to $8.80, CO calls $8.80, 1 fold, SB raises to $39, 1 fold, Hero raises to $129.60, 1 fold, SB calls $90.60

Flop: ($271.80) 8 6 3 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $271.80, SB raises to $410.40 all in, Hero calls $138.60

Turn: ($1092.60) 5 (2 players - 1 is all in)

River: ($1092.60) 6 (2 players - 1 is all in)

standard

nh

you cant 4 bet than not get it in on a low broken up flop with a gutter and BDNFD. You asked for the varience playing the ante tables now get it in and hold

200+bb deep I tend to flat the 3bet here. Unless you're balanced, 4betting turns your hand face up, and is as exploitable as only 3betting aces 100bb deep.

btw isn't this a horrible flop for us? I'm only calling a 4bet from obv AA (maybe 15% high rundown) with some kinda mediumish rundown... You still have to shove having 4bet but I'm just hating that flop.

Villain is prob shoving that flop with every flush or str8 draw, I dont think the flop is that bad but maybe im wrong idk? If you decide to 4 bet pre you will also have to call his overshove so i guess it's pretty standard.

I'd play the same.

With this kind of flop, you have to bet it and get it in.would like to have a few more outs but meh

An argument could be made for flatting (and using your position post flop) or 4-betting and playing pump and shove on the flop, but with CO behind us I think we have to 4-bet to blow him out of the pot and force this to be heads up.

I don't love it because we are laying our cards on the table, but I really hate the thought of playing this 3 ways with us in the middle.

Once we 4-bet the flop is standard.

If villain assumes we have AAxx and plays accordingly, he's going to make some pretty serious mistakes vs our double suited aces. I agree that you shouldn't auto 4bet weak AAxx though if you're not 4betting wider. Think this is an auto 4bet even if you tell him you have AA.

It's not a great flop in that he'll often have pair+solid draw that has good equity against us, but we're pretty rarely crushed (86 is pretty much the only 2 pair and 88xx, 66xx, 33xx are fairly unlikely) so it can't be that bad.

wp

Good explanation, thank you.

I think you'd be missing a lot of value if you didn't 4 bet this. Flop is standard, too much equity.

Flop is super standard but you lost.

what if we add +2 on every cards on the flop ? and 2 broadways/rag ?

curious what villain had...

it sucks if u lost but it's the only decent way to play your hand

Villain had pretty much the only hand in his range I didn't want to see.. JJ88. Would be curious to know the math behind 3b / calling that deep with hand knowing he will flop a set X% of the time.

villain must have been herohan?

Doing math on the 3bet is not easy but calling the 4bet is pretty clear if he knows you have AA**. He's going to need 37.5% equity to stack off postflop assuming you're not folding. He can get it in on about 35% of flops with somewhere between 70-75% avg equity, so:

EV (call 4bet) = .65*(-90) + .35*(.725*1092) = $43.6, so super clear call. Also, you might not stack off 100% but I don't think that's going to hurt him that much since it means some free cards and a few profitable bluffing spots.

4betting your random AA** still shows a profit though. There's ~$60 in the pot when you 4bet, he wins $43.6 by calling your 4bet, so you make ~$16 4betting. It's possible calling will show a bigger profit but hard to say. Oh and your hand will make more than the $16 since you have better than random AAxx.

Don't really want to check this over, hopefully numbers are close to right.