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Old 07-17-2021, 12:10 AM   #1
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200BBs deep with the Whales

What are your thoughts on this hand?

UTG made a very spewy call with an overpair 100bbs deep a couple orbits before this hand. Button is running 50/40/10 over nothing sample. What do we think about the bet sizing on the flop? How do we play turn?

Ignition - $2 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

CO: 36 BB
BTN: 149.95 BB
Hero (SB): 187.59 BB
BB: 119.13 BB
UTG: 226.43 BB

Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB, CO posts penalty blind 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 2.5 BB) Hero has Q Q 4 A

UTG raises to 4.5 BB, fold, BTN calls 4.5 BB, Hero raises to 20 BB, fold, UTG calls 15.5 BB, BTN calls 15.5 BB

Flop: (62 BB, 3 players) 7 Q 8
Hero bets 24.2 BB, UTG calls 24.2 BB, BTN calls 24.2 BB

Turn: (134.6 BB, 3 players) 9
[color=red]Hero...?
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Old 07-17-2021, 06:18 AM   #2
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Re: 200BBs deep with the Whales

I like the small bet to keep the draws in. You now have 17 outs vs the straight, which should bet turn. You have enough equity to shove, but probably make more with a lead around 1/3 pot again - anything good enough to call your flop bet either hit the straight or is still good enough to call turn. Ideally we want to keep both in so bet small or check/shove if you think UTG will bet for you. Don't want to drive out sets/fd's with a pot bet.
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Old 07-17-2021, 04:51 PM   #3
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Re: 200BBs deep with the Whales

Might be a call preflop playing OOP the whole hand. You had what a PSB left roughly? Just jam it in there.
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Old 07-17-2021, 07:25 PM   #4
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Re: 200BBs deep with the Whales

Pre. seems agro. UTG can decide to go with AA/KK and we should fold, even if they call it's not good on lots of flops. The worse players are the more you can just call pre. and this hand mostly flops polarized.

Flop we are so strong we can do almost anything, x/r seems like most fun if they'll bet.

Their turn range is mostly two pairs, worse flush draws with some straights (mostly 3rd nuts they think are the nuts). Again lots of options: can bet 50-60bb to make sure everyone calls, x/r still fun although not as much, as you bet bigger than 60bb though you'll quickly get to a number where they'll treat it the same as pot.
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Old 07-17-2021, 07:48 PM   #5
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Re: 200BBs deep with the Whales

Check/ calling here. We block two pairs and we block nut flush draw so against two opponents with card removal they will be weighted to wraps that come in on turn. Probably the worst turn card in the deck.
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Old 07-27-2021, 04:45 PM   #6
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Re: 200BBs deep with the Whales

I just call PF. I don't like to 3-bet OOP when 200 BB deep...even with AA your hand becomes transparent and I think any value we could be missing is offset by the difficult situations we keep ourselves out of.

As played, I bomb the flop for at least 2/3... I am never betting less than 2/3 pot with any of my range on this board and there's no reason to deviate just because you flopped a monster. This would also effectively commit you to the hand on the flop making any turn decision unnecessary.
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Old 07-29-2021, 05:09 PM   #7
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Re: 200BBs deep with the Whales

Ya I think 3 betting OOP this deep should only be done with super nutty hands, and even then it's challenging. Certainly this wouldn't qualify.
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Old 07-31-2021, 03:45 PM   #8
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Re: 200BBs deep with the Whales

I'm jamming turn here. You might even get a bottom end of straight to fold. If someone has you beat, suck out.
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