$2/5 Plo river spot - Small Stakes Pot Limit Omaha

Two Plus Two Forums Poker Strategy Omaha

$2/5 Plo river spot

Post Reply Subscribe

...

04-23-2011 , 02:12 AM

Bawsten

journeyman

Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 283

2/5 PLO FR Live. Villain is old man sitting on about $800 Ive only played 2 hands before this hand, my BB and SB, im new to the game so no reads.

Hero $490 (BTN) JsJdKs5h

Villain (UTG) ~$800

Preflop: Family (8 players) limped pot. Pot $40

Flop: Jh 4d 9h

Checks to hero. Hero bets out $25 get 4 callers.

Turn: 9s

checks around 5 ways

River: 6d

Villian (utg) leads out $100. Folds to Hero, hero makes it $240. Villain Moves all in...

Does Villain ever 3 bet shove me with less than 99 or 9J here in a live $2/5 plo game?

Quote

04-23-2011 , 04:03 AM

cobrastatus

veteran

Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 2,319

Why check the turn? With 4 people to the turn, ESPECIALLY in a live game, people will call you far more often with hands that are drawing dead and hands that are drawing to 1 out than they will online. People are extra bad live, they are not folding the NFD, 44xx, 9x, and any QT with hh even. If I was HU sometimes I would check it and try to get value on the river, but I would not check this turn 5ways, you lose way too much value imo.

Now that you got to the river, I think you're getting too good a price to fold, I'd call.

Quote

04-23-2011 , 04:03 AM

IPLAYUPAY

adept

Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 1,108

99 doesnt make sence villain would probably raise the flop with so many limpers or bet the turn..prob villain has a boat but u have the nut boat so no worries.ofc he shoves worse + missed draw bluffs..
Also u missed some vbet ott

Quote

04-23-2011 , 08:08 AM

HitmanDK

grinder

Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 405

You have 220 left in ur stack and the pot is around 800.
There are two ways of him having J9 and only one way of him having 99.

What were u asking again?

Quote

04-23-2011 , 08:19 AM

Tsajajaja

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 6,677

ul reload and bet turn

Quote

04-23-2011 , 08:47 AM

FallsviewPokerPro

banned

Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 2,477

99 makes perfect sense given he bet 3 bet the river. i'd still snap though, you will see worse houses here.

Quote

04-23-2011 , 08:52 AM

interix

banned

Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 560

Totally don't know much if anything about Omaha... but if villain has J9 would that not make for a chop pot seeing as you both have the nut boat?

Quote

04-23-2011 , 08:57 AM

Tsajajaja

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 6,677

Quote:

Originally Posted by interix

Totally don't know much if anything about Omaha... but if villain has J9 would that not make for a chop pot seeing as you both have the nut boat?

JJJ99 = JJ999?

Quote

04-23-2011 , 09:00 AM

interix

banned

Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 560

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tsajajaja

JJJ99 = JJ999?

LOL.. sorry just woke up. Just makes me question his fold even more, seeing as only 99 would beat him.

I need a coffee =[

Quote

04-23-2011 , 09:09 AM

#10

IPLAYUPAY

adept

Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 1,108

Quote:

Originally Posted by FallsviewPokerPro

99 makes perfect sense given he bet 3 bet the river. i'd still snap though, you will see worse houses here.

it makes sence only otr i dont think he would play 99 like this otf or ott.but anyways 99 is a tiny portion of his range..snap call there

Quote

04-23-2011 , 09:45 AM

#11

HitmanDK

grinder

Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 405

Quote:

Originally Posted by IPLAYUPAY

it makes sence only otr i dont think he would play 99 like this otf or ott.but anyways 99 is a tiny portion of his range..snap call there

99 is probably one third of his range otr which do make it a snap call.

Quote

04-23-2011 , 10:43 AM

#12

Vanhaomena

veteran

Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 2,048

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bawsten

Does Villain ever 3 bet shove me with less than 99 or 9J here in a live $2/5 plo game?

If he has J9 in his range, you'd want to take out your car keys from your pocked like in Casino Royale and 4bet the worth of your car, because not only do you get the odds, you're a favourite:

board: Jh 4d 9h 9s 6d
Js Jd Ks 5h 65.55%
J9**, 99** 34.45%

So obviously he doesn't even need to be wider than J9+. Seeing that you need under 25% to profitably call here, you can even discount a majority of J9xx hands and still snapcall the **** out of it.

Quote

04-23-2011 , 10:53 AM

#13

Tsajajaja

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 6,677

The only thing Im wondering here is that what does hero hand looks like for villain after checking turn and raising river? J9xx should be bottom of villain valueraise range after we lead 5way UTG river so why would we 3bet J9xx here? Making split to fold? :P

but its obviously not a fold. Just if villain was thinking player but we dont have any reads.

Quote

04-24-2011 , 10:22 PM

#14

keanosdog

adept

Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 865

seriously, i may be a micro donk,and way outta my league in here but folding the nut house to a re raise OTR??????

i'd give up poker before i'd do that.

Quote

04-25-2011 , 09:38 PM

#15

ShoveIt

adept

Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 713

i'm not sure of your reasoning behind checking the turn as opposed to betting, esp in a live game.

it's a snap call on the river. worrying about losing with nut full 100BB live or online is just monsters under the bed.

Quote

04-26-2011 , 03:10 PM

#16

StickingItIn

journeyman

Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 242

your betszising otf was also bad.

allinall you seem to have huge misconceptions about omaha

Quote

Post Reply Subscribe

...