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2/5 PLO 2 pair in multiway pot 2/5 PLO 2 pair in multiway pot

11-24-2023 , 12:12 PM
Villain is very Laggy. Not sure if they are laggy good or laggy bad, but defiantly a bit spewy (Maybe it works for their table image) . They are 3 betting at 20% and have a VPIP of around 40%, but they seem to be a winning player overall (not a huge sample size that I have on them). They use pot size bets more often than any other bet sizing.

I have seen them do something super aggressive and loose things. (eg. one hand, I open the button and they 3 bet from sb, BB goes all-in for 25BB, I reshove double suited Kings, and they call with A975ds).

OTH,
stacks of roughly 100BB
Preflop: hero has A J T 8 in CO
UTG opens to 3.4BB, 1 fold, Hero calls, BTN calls, SB folds, BB calls

Flop: J T 5
BB checks, Villain pots for 14BB, Hero calls, BTN folds, BB folds

Turn: 6
Villain bets 42 BB, hero?

Is this turn an easy shove? Normally with some other players, I would assume that when they pot the turn that they are super strong, but this player can easily have something like A K (I think)
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11-25-2023 , 12:00 AM
Not an easy shove as you're being free rolled or coolered a fair bit and he should have decent equity otherwise. He's already committed to realizing whatever equity he has (eg jamming offers him ~ 4:1). Fwiw your stats are admittedly small samples yet your example hand is decidedly solid sb vs but plo gambling. Not gonna tell us that this is worse from utg often enough.
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11-25-2023 , 01:16 AM
This is a very difficult hand to describe the best way to play that is going to translate into an overall strategy. I'll give it a try. This is going to read weird.

Preflop, as played, if you CALL the open raise and the preflop actions plays out as it did, then fold this two pair on the flop. But I wouldn't have called preflop, I would have 3-bet.

Preflop, if you had 3-BET the open raise and everyone who continue with the actual hands still calls your 3-bet, then bet this two pair on the flop.

Yup, I did it. I told you to fold your two pair if you call preflop, but bet your two pair if you 3-bet preflop. If you can accurately nail your preflop 3-bets in 100bb poker, then you will easily fling poo on the flop.
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11-25-2023 , 10:35 AM
Close your eyes, and shove. Sometimes you are dead but this is the spirit of the game. The good thing is that you unblock all potential draws that are slaming on the turn.
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11-25-2023 , 11:08 AM
I don't see folding the turn - you have top two, block sets, there's extremely little 55 in their range, there's a million combo draws on this flop, you have no diamonds, etc. You're basically getting 2 to 1 - you certainly have enough equity to GII at this point.
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11-25-2023 , 11:47 AM
Gotta 3b pre. This hand gets you exactly in these kinds of spots all the time with a bunch of flatters behind. Play a hu pot with this hand vs the laggard.
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11-28-2023 , 02:03 AM
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Preflop, as played, if you CALL the open raise and the preflop actions plays out as it did, then fold this two pair on the flop. But I wouldn't have called preflop, I would have 3-bet.
Slow down there hoss. Ok, getting potted into four way on this ultra dynamic board that everybody and his mother probably connected with is not a dream scenario, but we've got top two pairs. That's a lot of equity. 2, 3, 4, 6, are all safe. We've got four outs to a lock. Should we really be laying down this monster?
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11-28-2023 , 11:07 AM
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Originally Posted by wolfbook
[you should have 3bet not called preflop]

Preflop, as played, if you CALL the open raise and the preflop actions plays out as it did, then fold this two pair on the flop. But I wouldn't have called preflop, I would have 3-bet.

Preflop, if you had 3-BET the open raise and everyone who continue with the actual hands still calls your 3-bet, then bet this two pair on the flop.
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Originally Posted by franklymydearirais
Slow down there hoss. Ok, getting potted into four way on this ultra dynamic board that everybody and his mother probably connected with is not a dream scenario, but we've got top two pairs. That's a lot of equity. 2, 3, 4, 6, are all safe. We've got four outs to a lock. Should we really be laying down this monster?
Point #1 We should have 3bet preflop and would have had an easy SPR bet.

Point #2 Since we incorrectly called instead of 3bet the SPR is a nightmare gray area. But I still love you bro if you continue on with the hand. Is a 2, 3, 4 or 6 a safe card if it is a diamond against 3 players? And I agree with you the equity is fine, but continuing sadly is most likely a rake loser.

Last edited by wolfbook; 11-28-2023 at 11:36 AM.
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11-28-2023 , 12:02 PM
3 betting 6 max really makes life easier
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11-28-2023 , 03:07 PM
I'd rather fold than 3bet CO vs UTG.
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12-01-2023 , 10:03 AM
Even here on the Turn you are just flipping against any over-pair with flush draw .. Prob 60% at best

OTF against AAKQ of flush you are 33% to win
OTF against AAQx of flush you are 43% to win

All that being said it's super hard to fold top 2 even with no redraws .. it's short stack PLO .. hang on, it'll be a ride!


I do like the idea of taking the thinking out of the hand with a 3b, shove Flop approach. What do we do if we get 4b to 40bb though? GL
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12-01-2023 , 01:38 PM
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Originally Posted by answer20
I do like the idea of taking the thinking out of the hand with a 3b, shove Flop approach. What do we do if we get 4b to 40bb though?
It depends on if we are talking normal poker where it gets preflop 2bet then Hero preflop 3bets and it goes heads up or is it still going 4way like this hand went with the Hero's preflop call.

If you preflop 3bet in 100bb poker, then you have to fold some of those 3bets to a 4bet. In game, many humans have a hard time folding to a 4bet after they have 3bet.

Heads up preflop: I'm going to over-simplify for illustrative purposes. Don't make me have to punch anyone in the dick in this Omaha sub-forum for nitpicking my over-simplification. Heads up when you preflop 3bet and get 4bet you should respond by taking those 3bets and cutting it into thirds. So about 1/3 of the time you 5bet bet, about 1/3 of the time you call the 4 bet and about 1/3 of the time you fold to the 4bet. The 5betting is easy, it is all AAxx hands except for a few weaker AAxx you put in your call a 4bet range to be deceptive and balanced. The call a 4 bet range is some weaker AAxx hands, the over-simplified version would be call a 4bet with singled suited or rainbow AAWW (W means wheel card) as well as non AA hands that don't have a pair(call any pocket 2pair), are double suited and reasonably connected. Fold to a 4bet with the rest which will be about 1/3 of your original 3 betting range. Therefore, heads-up the Hero's AJT8 single suited would be folded to a 4bet.

4-way preflop: If EP open-raises and then you CO 3bet, then anyone else cold-calling a 3bet is probably playing bed. The BU and BB incorrectly coming along and then having the EP 4bet makes it possible for you to now also play stay in the hand and call the 4bet with single suited hands in your 3betting range that are suit to the ace. Super simplify this time and 5bet all AAxx and call the same as heads up but also call with single suited hands suited to the ace. This should make up almost 100% of your 3betting range, you might only be now folding 10% of the time instead of 33% of the time. Therefore, 4way Hero would have called the 4bet with AJT8 single suited to ace.

Last edited by wolfbook; 12-01-2023 at 01:52 PM.
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12-05-2023 , 04:21 PM
Wolfbook r u some type of aloe Vera for 89 suited in diamonds???
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12-05-2023 , 04:45 PM
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Wolfbook r u some type of aloe Vera for 89 suited in diamonds???
I'm busy as **** trying to entertain the woman in my life while on vacation, but I had to reply, I don't even know what the hell this post even means.
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12-05-2023 , 05:19 PM
You got a women and on vacation chump change how you do that? I need a women and vacation to. Pm me and be detailed like itt responses

It means your a doodle bomb
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