Villain is a "good player", a bit spewy in some spots, but seems to get the best of me. Probably views me as a bit of a call station. When I bet big, I have usually had it against this player. They also play higher stakes

Preflop: Hero has A A 8 7 in the BB
Btn folds, SB raises to 3BB, hero raises to 9BB, Villain calls

Flop: Q 7 9 (pot 18BB)
Villain checks, Hero checks

Turn: T
Villain bets 6BB, hero raises to 23BB, Villain raises to 56BB, hero?

Usually small bets are thin value for this player. Part of me says I should just rip it in, in this spot. But I thought maybe they have a K high flush and 2 pair or a set and I will be drawing dead. Because this particular player doesn't get out of line that often. How would you play this? I know a lot of players always bet A high flush draws in 3 bet pots, I do sometimes check them (Not sure if this player knows that)

Stacks? I pot pre (I hate BB hand histories -- just use $). I also bet this flop so I can better rep AdXd on turn. As played, just fold. You can't really improve and AA is basically never good.

As is, that is an easy fold when villain re-raises you. Not a fan of that re raise bluff when he leads 1/3 pot on the turn.
Board is too wet just for AA without a draw to the nuts.
You're IP, so I would've bet 3/4 pot on the flop with the nut flush blocker.
check check turn for pot control, and check check or call/fold on the river depending on bet from the villain.
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This is the kind of unique spot that you will not find an answer to in this thread. It’s that kind of spot that really comes down to the player, hero’s perceived ranges to that player, the meta game in that specific pool.

His play is obviously extremely awkward and therefor there is some reason he is doing this.

Anyone saying bluff retaining here must be bad I believe is being short sighted an risk adverse. However that is a reasonable framework for awkward isolated spots: er on the side of caution.

So I ask you, what do you think would be a good philosophical framework for dealing with that kind of situation?

You would check the Td turn after cbetting the flop?

I would pot it, it’s very likely he’s bluffing.

To me this depends on how much is left.

Standard theory in omaha is generally when our nut blockers face huge agression we normally give up. Stack depth still matters of course as we can still punish on blank rivers in theory, but that doesn't mean we should try to.

Villain could have a hand like set+ straight flush redraw to take this kind of line.

I'm a little stunned at ODonk's reply .. how many pure Bluffs are out there AND we are drawing pretty dead against 'made' hands that might do this with redraws. Not knowing stack depths is an issue ..

IMO .. in my Player Pool .. the Ace Blocker gets almost no credit unless you c-bet.

Hero's 'opportunity' comes (after getting flatted on Turn) with another barrel after a blank .. IF .. Hero gets checked to. It's possible that some V may block bet the River and then fold to a shove, but that's a really cool aggressive move that needs the right V to work on. The King of Flush is almost always calling and perhaps the Jack of Flush. Shoot, I get called by 9 of Flush a lot in my Pool, lol.

The key is the c-bet or hoping the SPR stays high enough that they may get spooked on the River after a passive Flop/Turn. GL

We have plenty of nfd that checks flop. If you always get called because you checked flop then that becomes very appealing with the nfd.

I agree that we 'can' have NFD here .. the problem is that we don't and got 3bet into. Granted it's not a full raise .. but ..

If you're suggesting that this is a 'brake check' 3bet based on it's sizing and we can now get them to fold 'a lot' of made hands and draws then you might be on the 'new Hero' list.

More than likely V is 'bluffing' with the best hand and we need them to fold 50% of the time since I'm not finding too many paths to Showdown victory? I think that's a high expectation in a game where most Player's middle name is Stubborn. GL

This is often either a bluff or a hand “finding out where they’re at”. Obviously we don’t want to do this vs stations or whales but this should work most of the time vs decent regs.

What about floating turn and potting river if he bets?

Not saying its good, just interested what others think.

Certainly need to bet this flop with the NFB - turn I wouldn't be raising either. Think the NFB works well multi way - in HU pots it gets spewy as you're less believable.

Not a huge fan of trying to rep the NF when we didn’t cbet, not because we can’t have it but because most players suck and they will call down with any flush now.

I don’t know how deep we are but villains line obv screams BS, some days I’m ripping it in his face after his spaz 3bet.

Thing is, his bet is strange AF so what if he has 3 diamonds, or 4. Bye bye money.!

If I was feeling really gangsta I’d flat the 3 so I can raise the river really repping the NF. Obv then I’d cry when he finds a hero with some straight.

The mistake is not betting this flop. As a result, I think you have to find a fold here as played. Calling the turn and raising the river gives you a better chance of V folding a lower flush.

I’m stuffing it in his face and putting the pressure back on him. As shown in this thread most players don’t have the balls to pull the trigger but this works vs a good player a large % of the time.

Follow-up question: if you have the nut flush, are you shoving the turn?

Also, for those asking stack size, we are 160bb effective, it’s in the title of the post

Yes, but we are also betting the flop.

It's easier for us if you put the stacks in the hand and if you use $ instead of BB

Bb much better than $. Much better.

Coming from someone who didn't post about the actual hand/strat.

I think you’ll find that although I didn’t comment on this specific hand I have given plenty of thoughts on other hands.

If I have nothing to add I don’t say anything.

In this case I had something to add- bb >= $.

Don’t mean to ruffle your panties though.

Sorry, I just don't understand why people post in threads when they are not actually responding to the hand.

And $ > BB, at least most posters seem to think so.

Most posters? Only you have ever stated that. Normalized numbers are always easier to deal with and compare. It doesn’t matter if the bet is 1000 or 0.01 if they are the same relative size.

I don’t care enough to continue this though.

OK. Others have asked for $ over BB. I've never seen anyone ask for BB over $ until now. I'm done, too