Would you say for a really solid pro the winrate for a game that size (LasVegas) would be "around" $50?

I know 10x bb is really good in general but that's mostly nl so I'm wondering since plo plays 1.5x as big about on avg. If 10x bb should be a more common goal?

Thank you.

If you were a Stephen Chidwick level live pro and you game selected well and got to cherry-pick when you were feeling your best rather than having to grind out at all hours, you could possibly beat a bunch of vegas $2/5 games for $100/hour. I say this with the caveat that I haven't been to vegas for more than a decade, and the games have possibly changed more than I can account for.

You can be a very strong winning pro in some regards and not be aware of some of your leaks that cost you ~$20+/hour and be breakeven or making very small.

IMO the win rate stats for PLO are probably similar to NL, but you do need a much larger bankroll to withstand the expected variance of PLO. So yes, 10bb/hour live over a month/year would be just fine for most.

The 5/5 Rock game at Aria is where you should be, but almost every PLO grinder knows that. You can get some very good results in the 1/2 at Aria as well. But you're going to have to be able to table (and seat) select to try and put yourself into good spots .. and be willing to walk away (or stay) depending on the table dynamic.

You'll also want to keep you eye on Bravo/PA to see when a game may be popping up at other locations, which will usually be lessor opponents.

IMO your win rate is tied more towards what you want to get for the time you are willing to put in than a gage of your skill. While it can be an indicator of both you may also need to break it down by how you grade your daily tables.

Tough Table (Aug to Nov) .. maybe just 5-7bb/hour
Rec Table (May-July) .. maybe you need to 15-20bb/hour to take advantage of the increased Player Pool during WSOP

If you can't change gears in any poker game based on the table it's very difficult to show a consistent grind .. it'll be more like you need to offset the -10bb/hour in a Pro heavy game with +25bb/hour at a Rec heavy table. GL

Thank you.. Truly appreciate it

I haven't played live in 3 years but I was grinding $1/$2/ with $5 bring in $700 max 5 card PLO at the maryland casinos. Maybe I was running good, but over 1000 hours I made about 60k for $60 an hour. The games were incredibly soft, with a lot of people spewing. Maybe they are tougher now, but I would say anything north of $40 an hour is pretty good.

A very good pro long term should be making around that much or more but rather than focusing on winrate I would focus and hone in more on gathering reads, player tendencies, table selecting, making sure you’re doing everything outside of the poker table to play your A game and really sharpen your strategies based on that.

Win rates can vary so much as there’s so much variance in PLO so it would be hard to give you an accurate figure.

Here’s a video I recorded that can give you tips to help you accomplish those to possibly move up in stakes and consistently crush your local PLO games!

Crack the Code: How to Read Every Type of PLO Player Like a Pro!

https://youtu.be/4pTQ8n7lEV4?si=qfkZZn7xI3Rr5RmT

Thanks for further replies...

I'm wondering if a player stays at the same skill level or increases skill level proportionate to "keep up" with the games level of play each year... across a span of 10 years how much should his winrate go up/down each year? If they log 40 hours a week for each year?

I would guess from some limited experience playing professionally live that it would be around 2bbs/hour. So, if they win 10bb's/hour on they're average year...(so average meaning 4 years out of the 10) than for the rest of the years it'd be 2 bb's less or more.

Is this accurate? If so to what degree would you say? 8)

Thanks.

Very hard to quantify these things as there's so many factors flying around in different directions. What you can do is qualify them and say that a good player beating the games for a healthy sum 10 years ago would have to have been both very smart and hard-working away from the tables to see the same winrates today. The curve is moving fast while new money either decreases or doesn't increase to match it.

How the question was presented doesn't indicate a need for quantifying those things. As if the curve is moving at that pace than why would you think a player who is professional at that rate wouldn't move foward at the same rate. That's why it doesn't make sense.

They would... if anyone knows the answer to the question I'd appreciate an an answer.

The older I got the less I wanted to sit grinding poker all day long. I play so rarely now, but once in a while I go on a bender and play a lot. When I was younger I liked playing 40 hours a week. Building a bankroll was a nice challenge. I've been thinking of going back to grind to make 20k in a few months (hopefully no mega downwing) but i've been doing other things (Like Day trading).

How's day trading going?

I like it, but very tough learning curve - and hard to master. Much more difficult than poker imo. Takes most people a long time to become profitable.

It scales infinitely and you don't need to go to casinos or sketchy online sites to do it.

Lol... back to the question.

One other factor to consider is that the amount of recs in the game and their willingness to spew is largely dependent upon the economy. In good times people are happy to gamble more and in uncertain times the reverse is true. For the last few years (relatively good times for the economy) I play mostly at the level described in the title and about half the player pool seems to be retired types with lots of income or men with thriving businesses (e.g., several plumbing shops) that are well established and only require a bit of attention in the morning. The "pros" in the game seem to be trust fund pros based on my observation of their play. Both types seem to have endless funds. There are a few good for profit players mixed in. If times get bad the businessmen will play less and trust funds get depleted. The good for profit players will find that they more often are mostly playing with each other.

Simply stated win rates are usually unsustainable or can vary greatly over time dependent on the economy. Make sure you have other sources of income beyond poker.

Yes and no - probably more yes than no. 'Sin' industries tend to thrive during economic downturns - alcohol, prostitution, gambling. In an economic downturn, a lot of the people who would normally have had the disposable income to play will have given up, making the games softer; however, the beneficiaries of economic downturns are the rich, and they pump plenty of money back into the game, even if that money is unevenly distributed i.e. tends to be more at high stakes than low.