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2/4 Underfull on River 2/4 Underfull on River

11-29-2008 , 10:11 PM
Villian is 79/18/1.8 over 45 hands

Stars $2/$4 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 5 players
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Hero (BB): $416.20
UTG: $439.95
CO: $101.60
BTN: $1127.45
SB: $655.80

Pre Flop: ($6.00) Hero is BB with T K 6 T
1 fold, CO calls $4, BTN calls $4, 1 fold, Hero checks

Flop: ($14.00) A T 4 (3 players)
Hero bets $12, CO folds, BTN calls $12

Turn: ($38.00) 4 (2 players)
Hero bets $32, BTN calls $32

River: ($102.00) A (2 players)
Hero?

Who likes what line on river and why?
2/4 Underfull on River Quote
11-29-2008 , 11:32 PM
bet, but some players never make it to this river or past this turn w/out A4, maybe 104.
I would be more worried about quad 4's than AAxx, I don't know if btn is limping good or bad aces in that spot & tricky they are playing a set in position.
2/4 Underfull on River Quote
11-30-2008 , 12:01 AM
I wouldn't worry about AAxx at all, 44xx only a little. I do expect him to have ATxx and A4xx sometimes, with some wacky broadway draws and Axxx.

I think I like bet/folding 60 on the river, hoping to get value from AKxx.
2/4 Underfull on River Quote
11-30-2008 , 12:31 AM
i agree with bet/folding, i think around $75 is best.

i think he usually has T4 here
2/4 Underfull on River Quote
11-30-2008 , 11:54 AM
I think if we are bet/folding here we should be betting big, like close to pot. It makes me feel dirty folding to a raise when I feel like I induced his raise. This gets more value from aces and T4. We are ahead most of the time. I dont think I am getting a fold from any ace that often even with a pot sized bet.
2/4 Underfull on River Quote
11-30-2008 , 12:02 PM
I think I like potting the river the best but in this hand I check. He bets 80 into pot of 100.

Is check/raise bad? If I do check/raise.. how much? Would you like a check/raise more or less if he bet 60? What if he bet pot?
2/4 Underfull on River Quote
11-30-2008 , 01:58 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ActionFreak
I think I like potting the river the best but in this hand I check. He bets 80 into pot of 100.

Is check/raise bad? If I do check/raise.. how much? Would you like a check/raise more or less if he bet 60? What if he bet pot?
how can u contemplate a c/r? he's snapping or 3betting with anything that beats u and folding everything else?
2/4 Underfull on River Quote
11-30-2008 , 02:47 PM
c/r are you insane?
2/4 Underfull on River Quote
11-30-2008 , 02:54 PM
pot the river..
2/4 Underfull on River Quote
11-30-2008 , 03:04 PM
So you guys really dont think fish is going to call with worse here?
2/4 Underfull on River Quote
11-30-2008 , 03:28 PM
nope. how many worse hands are there?
2/4 Underfull on River Quote
11-30-2008 , 03:35 PM
any ace, T4
2/4 Underfull on River Quote
11-30-2008 , 03:47 PM
Anyway.. I think I raised to 210 or 220. He folded so you are right and I am wrong
2/4 Underfull on River Quote
11-30-2008 , 03:58 PM
Bet fold.
2/4 Underfull on River Quote
11-30-2008 , 07:26 PM
bet
bet
bet
2/4 Underfull on River Quote
11-30-2008 , 07:34 PM
c/r is ridiculous
2/4 Underfull on River Quote
11-30-2008 , 08:31 PM
i dont think C/R is bad as you guys think. he is getting almost 3 to 1 to call. I cant see everyone with those stats folding three aces on the river and nobody is folding T4. With the way this hand played out we are ahead most of the time imo. But with that being said I think potting the river is better
2/4 Underfull on River Quote
11-30-2008 , 08:37 PM
c/r is spew since you still have a lot of your stack left
villain will call your bet more than he will bet for you with 1 ace
he will also play perfect anytime he has aces full+
2/4 Underfull on River Quote
11-30-2008 , 10:02 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by jwc529
c/r is spew since you still have a lot of your stack left
villain will call your bet more than he will bet for you with 1 ace
he will also play perfect anytime he has aces full+
i was not planning on calling a shove. which i admit is a disaster if he ever shoves worse
2/4 Underfull on River Quote
11-30-2008 , 10:26 PM
a couple more points

To have me beat he has to have one of the last two aces and one of the two remaining fours or the last ten.

He has to have not raised on the button with an ace in his hand when he has been raising 18% of his hands in the small sample.

With AT he has to have also not raised me on the flop with top two without taking any time to think about it

With A4 he has to have also not raised me on the turn with a full house without taking any time to think about it.

I know none of this stuff is big by itself but I think I am well ahead of his range on the river given all of them put together unless he 3-bet shoves on me. I also think he can make a call with worse getting decent odds
2/4 Underfull on River Quote
11-30-2008 , 10:36 PM
Its the old case of hes gonna call with everything that beats you and fold everything you beat. Pretty much.
2/4 Underfull on River Quote
12-01-2008 , 12:12 AM
So if you somehow know for certain that this player has three aces or 4s full of tens.. you like a check/raise bluff to 220 if you could not beat his hand?
2/4 Underfull on River Quote
12-01-2008 , 01:15 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ActionFreak
So if you somehow know for certain that this player has three aces or 4s full of tens.. you like a check/raise bluff to 220 if you could not beat his hand?
No... I would like a check/fold though.
2/4 Underfull on River Quote
12-01-2008 , 02:07 AM
most of the posters and myself prefer the standard line of bet-fold, but I like your reasoning for a c/r. the problem is you're narrowing down the range to 2 hands and your raise for value is not going to be called by worse. but i might be wrong.

depends on your image, say you open completed sb and fired pot into 3 other players. i'm not raising a10 or a4 in that spot.

on the turn a raise makes sense and after the no-raise on the turn you can make your case that villain has to raise A4 & A10 on the turn to protect against bigger aces, if in fact villain didn't raise on the flop with them.

if he can't have any of those hands like you stated, then I like a check call on the river. but you're really getting value out of 10/4 and maaybe bigger aces (which will fold to your c/r).

as a bluff, again, you don't know for certain if a4 & a10 so betting out is better as a bluff.
2/4 Underfull on River Quote
12-01-2008 , 11:08 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by chinaski101
Bet fold.
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