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06-15-2010 , 04:58 AM

Doorbread

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The shortest stack was 90/8 or something and I planned to b/c against him and b/f to everyone else. Btn was 56/7 standard loose passive and other guy was taggy nothing out of the ordinary from him. Good plan?
Poker Stars $400.00 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 6 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

SB: $994.40
BB: $607.10
UTG: $1712.40
MP: $615.20
Hero (CO): $1305.00
BTN: $1423.20

Pre Flop: ($6.00) Hero is CO with T

UTG raises to $16, 1 fold, Hero raises to $58.80, BTN calls $58.80, 1 fold, BB calls $54.80, UTG calls $42.80

Flop: ($237.20) T

(4 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, Hero checks, BTN checks

Turn: ($237.20) K

(4 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets $239.00

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06-15-2010 , 05:46 AM

mrw8419

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mehh think i'd need atleast one q or j blocker before even thinking of doing this

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06-15-2010 , 06:13 AM

Doorbread

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Why? Everyone has to play their hands very straight forward here and after two people check to me I rep really strong and can get a lot of superior two pairs to fold as well as hands that have good equity against ours.

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06-15-2010 , 12:06 PM

Dogboy714

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I like it. I doubt either of those players checks the nizzles to u on the turn. Did you get c/r'ed on the turn?

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06-15-2010 , 12:17 PM

kisada

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i don't think you get cr'd here very often and you do get a lot of folds, but i also feel like you will get peeled pretty light cause the 2nd FD opened up. i guess since we have sd value and position the times we do get flatted it's not really a big deal since our hand is easy to play.

if we're on button i like it more (who wouldn't) but 3rd position is good enough quite often.

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06-15-2010 , 01:07 PM

Nicotine Dreams

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Do you think this is a one shot deal on the turn? I think betting turn and checking even the blank rivers would not be good, let alone the draw completing and board pairing ones.

Along with the combo draws, I imagine we are also barreling people off of sets.

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06-15-2010 , 02:07 PM

F3rz3nd3

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This works because when both villans check twice with these stacks, they don't have it.

Sizing is cool, you give yourself 1:1 on a bet that's gonna work and overwhelming majority of the time(imo).

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06-18-2010 , 09:56 PM

Doorbread

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don't usually bump my own threads but yeah

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06-19-2010 , 01:34 AM

Zenpokerguru

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You are almost always going to have an interesting river decision imo.

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06-19-2010 , 01:52 AM

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Hoopster81

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Originally Posted by Zenpokerguru

You are almost always going to have an interesting river decision imo.

yeah

I think you get called here a lot, and you basically need to be planning to shove every river

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06-19-2010 , 02:08 AM

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Doorbread

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My plan was to bet blanks and 8's, check clubs, diamonds, and cards that boat me. I got called by btn which left me OOP and the river came king of diamonds so I checked thinking I was basically repping quads or AK if I bet. River plan and action ok?

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06-19-2010 , 06:32 PM

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Nicotine Dreams

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I'm tempted to bet if there is even a small chance that villain can have QJxx by the turn and fold diamonds by the river. Although you may think this river is a particularly bad one to bluff, he should know this too, which makes calling this river with hands as strong as TT or KT unappealing.

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06-19-2010 , 09:04 PM

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Black Hat

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I'd bet the flop.

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06-20-2010 , 02:36 AM

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boltman64

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I don't like your turn bet, but then again I play much lower stakes and they don't usually respect my bets/raises....

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06-20-2010 , 06:44 AM

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BetYourLife

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what are your reasons to check the flop here doorbread?
I think I would lean towards a bet there. we have some outs, and something like AT will only call our bet. if we check and someone bets the turn I think we have to muck. with 4 ppl on the flop it is highly likely someone takes a stab, no?

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06-20-2010 , 02:23 PM

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Nicotine Dreams

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Originally Posted by boltman64

I don't like your turn bet, but then again I play much lower stakes and they don't usually respect my bets/raises....

I usually don't like the use of this meme, but this was great in a melancholy way.

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06-20-2010 , 11:12 PM

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Doorbread

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Originally Posted by BetYourLife

I think this flop gets called A LOT wider than A10, especially by the people in this pot, but I'd expect to be behind their flop calling ranges. When we check we only have to worry about one person behind us betting, but this button was loose / passive and I can comfortably check / fold to any aggression from him in a 4 way pot.

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JT89,ATBM,KQJT,AKQJ,T789,KddK,6789	62.06%	366,695	11,346

These are only hands that I think will call the majority of the time and not raise by the way.

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06-22-2010 , 12:42 AM

#18

BenG2813

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I'd probably bet less and be shoving pretty much every river.

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06-22-2010 , 03:31 PM

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gtrunner57

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I like the flop check.

If you're bombing the turn, we seem to think that you can't plan to just check down if called. I don't think betting clubs is any good. If you're betting 8's then you're bluffing w the T-high straight? Not sure that there are many combos of J9cc or J9dd that would call turn but don't have QJ. I don't think we can bet any board pairing rivers if called, can we?

So we should plan to bomb diamonds and blanks or just check again or the turn?

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