2/2 live PLO

AQQJss $1200 eff

5 handed

Doing $5 btn straddle with sb blind raises to $20. So I guess it's more like 2/5/20 without an option.

Bb folds, hero pots to $70, only sb calls.

Sb seems like a decent player but hard to say if he's more lucky than good. He can be very LAG since he has a lot of money and isn't afraid to bluff, but he's not a whale or maniac. He plays too many hands, but he doesn't overvalue them (like he can definitely fold 34XX on 567r and won't pile in chips with it). He protects his $20 blind raise when someone raises almost 100% of the time he's deep and we are short handed like this. He's ran up his $500 buy in to $5000 at this point. He also calls pretty light when deep and he has a piece of the board. I've seen him call plenty of gutshots and such as well.

Flop ($150) J62r with 1 spade
Sb checks, hero bets $75, sb calls

Turn ($300) Ts bringing us a bdfd and gutshot
Sb checks, hero?

Pot it, what else could u do

I'm definitely betting again, just wasn't sure on the flop sizing and turn size. Also would you count my stack as being a 60bb stack considering the blind raise $20 we are doing?

I bet 2/3rds on flop as my default on a dry dynamic board (like this one), so I'm betting 100 on flop. I don't hate your sizing, but that's my sizing and the logic is to size larger on dynamic boards and smaller on static boards.

Then, like crimsonchin, I'm betting pot on the turn as my only sizing in this situation. So, I'm either checking behind or betting pot and in this case I'm betting pot. I had turned a naked flush draw to the nuts I'd pot, but if not nuts / second nuts, I am checking behind (maybe this is wrong). With the additional gutshot I'm betting all flush draws with my pair.... sucks that you no longer have top pair and that a lot of 2 pair combos just got there though.

Yeah effectively it’s 60bb with the difference that people tend to play it quite different from 60bbs, many regs will be too tight/passive.

I go a bit bigger on the flop, but I don’t hate the size. Turn I just pot.

So as you guys probably do as well I tend to make my current decision with my future decision in mind. For example, say its NLH and I have KK on a J62ss board with SPR 4. I'll decide right there if I make a pot sized bet and get called, that I'm going to jam when checked to on any brick turns. So with that in mind..

With a pot sized bet, do we plan on just GII if he raises? No merit to b/f for a smaller amount since our hand should likely have a ton of equity right? If we bet and he calls, or we check, then river doesn't improve our hand, do we just check back if he checks to us?

Wouldn't this board be considered dry unpaired than dynamic though? Seems like one of the driest boards possible. I usually do 50% for dry unpaired and 67% for dynamic like A98ss or J85ss.

You are right. I have been betting these the same but shouldn’t be. I prefer your bet size. Well played.

Yeah planning is good, the difference with nlhe here is that equity denial is more important and implied odds are reduced. Also when you bomb it like here you have massive blockers to exactly the range that would c/jam the turn.

The implication is that in spots like this in nlhe you’d be very thoughtful and potentially check behind not to be pushed off your draw.

In plo much more often, like in this spot, you have to bomb it and pray they don’t jam on you. If they do sigh and figure out if you’re priced in. In this case you would be because you dominate a bunch of other combo equity.

It's much harder to plan ahead in PLO since board texture, continuing ranges, hand strength, etc. change so often but I still try to. Which is why I was actually having a hard time coming up with an example PLO hand instead of a NLH hand lol. A lot more variables so it can be hard to plan accordingly in a lot of spots.

I'm leaning toward it being a hand I just have to go with as well if it comes down to facing a jam but idk. Prefer a bet much more than checking. We have position so we can check back bad rivers and it will be harder to double up if we check and hit. He shouldn't have TT unless he had a pair on the flop with it as well. JJ is possible but we block it, not that he can't still have it. I guess maybe 66 or 22 are possible that we are dominated by. He would play those since he defends almost 100% of his hands.

Problem is those are the only hands I see him x/jam with. Idk if he does it with JTXX and worse 2 pairs. It's possible he might with a J + turned sd. We block some straight draws tho as well with QQ. Overall I could see him doing it with a hand that he has where he's ahead of AA/KK/QQXX or puts me on one of those and thinks he can get me to fold when he picks up equity. Hard to say.

Yeah agree, I think there could be some odd cases where you’re crushed vs a jam range and would have to fold.

In that case you would still bet but just fold facing the jam because it happens so rarely.

The basic principle is you bomb this and figure out if you call a jam or not, but that doesn’t incentivise you to start checking it back.

Play around with an odds calculator to get a feel for your equity vs various jamming ranges that different players could have here.

it would be good to know here if the J of spades is on the board, in your hand, or neither. i assume you have the As?

just doing some light work with ranges in PPT and it's hard for me to imagine a x/jam range for this player type that you could fold to after potting turn. you need 31.25% and you're ~28% against a range of just sets (without really trying to narrow down which set combos and side cards he can show up with here, since he's pretty loose).

i agree with others, pot turn and presumably call off if jammed on

What are we betting with $700 eff on the turn?

So I think pot is the standard size for your range here at any depth.

That said, this hand dominates a lot of hands that you might want to keep in. I could see this actually being a reasonable smaller bet, like half pot, in some cases. Especially if for example you’re reading your opponent as being weaker. You gotta be mindful about weather this imbalance is going to be punished by your opponent.

Sorry should have clarified that because it's definitely good info to know. Js was not on the board because I remember not having a royal flush draw. AQss in my hand

Here's how the hand played out:

Js not being accounted for is important because it opens up some combo hands that can x/jam on this turn.

i think the decision to pot here has a lot more to do with denying equity and punishing the vast majority of his range that isn't check-jamming, rather than figuring out if you can call off when he does. if i know that i am very close to breakeven against the very top of a LAG's range, it means i am not going to think too hard about calling off, because LAGs by definition are not going to be at the top of their range at all times. this player type can certainly show up sometimes with hands like JT87ss, which you are flipping with on the turn, even though it seems intuitively like a huge hand to many typical players. and he will even sometimes show up with worse, like J987ss that picked up the inside wrap, which we are crushing.