No strong reads or history on villain. Has one a few big pots. Game is 2/5 NLH with common $10 straddle and 2 4 card PLO bomb pots every 30 minutes. People tend to be weaker in the PLO bomb pots since it is a NLH game.


Hero has Ad7d and 2 not super relevant cards, although they were not spades. 9 handed, $10 ante.

Top board KJ5 one diamond,
Bottom board As76s,

Hero checks in EP, villain in CO bets $50., hero calls

Turn $190 Top board KJ55 2 diamonds,
Bottom board As7x6s7s

Villain bets $100. Is my hand strong enough to raise here? Only losing to AA on top board, and only dead on bottom boards to boats. Seems kind of hard to get scooped, but could be ahead of weaker boats and flushes on bottom board, possibly live to flush draw on top board. But I am getting free rolled vs any boat on top board.

Villain has $1,840 effective and hero covers.

Your other 2 cards are gonna be relevant. I would fold flop with little equity on top board. As played check call turn and river.

2 diamonds in hand only, I didn't have a spade, K, J, 6, or 5. I also don't think I had any straight draw type blockers like Q or T. Can't remember what it was. I don't think I was blocking anything relevant or connecting with the board in any real way.

Think this is a relatively standard call down. It's not clear Hero is an equity favorite, and if he is - its often pretty tiny.

It's possible villain is making an overplay if his hand isn't too nutty on either board, but even if he is, Hero may still be able to punish him on river.

Hero is a little too deep to push here without clear nut outs on either board, villain is likely to have better visibility. Villain can also have a7 and is currently ahead on top, etc.

The short answer is this is a game of nuts. Do you have the nuts on top board? No. Do you have the nuts on bottom board? No. Don't pile money in. It is that simple. Check call turn and river.

The longer answer is in a 9 handed game like this the nuts is always applicable. In a 9 handed game like this, saying, "I ONLY lose to xxxx" is going to be the beginning of a bad beat story when the villain bets the flop and then again bets the turn. The real money in this game is made with the mortal nuts that cannot be tied thereby saving you from getting quartered. The easiest mortal nuts that cannot be tied is the nut flush on a non-paired, non-straight flush board. Flushes in Omaha cannot be tied because you have to use your hole cards and cannot "play the board." Bet pot with the nut flush like a bat out of hell from the first street you have it, but notice I didn't say bet the nut flush draw.

Some examples of other mortal nuts that cannot be tied:

1. having the nut full house where you also have the hole card that blocks anyone having quads.
2. having the nut quads.
3. a non-flush board where the cards are so spread out that a straight is not possible like AQ972 and your top set is the nuts.

Okay, so call turn.

River $390 Top board KJ552 diamonds brick,
Bottom board As7x6s7sKs

We check and villain pots. Now we lose to AA, KK, and we are quartered by A7. Is this even worth calling?

I mean, would we not pot a turn where we have top boat on one board+ open ended and a flush draw on another board when we are only losing to quads? Like JJQhTh on J633 KxTh3h2x?

Or another situation would be flopping top 2 + nut flush draw on one board and nut straight on the other.

I know my threshold for value betting is very high, but how literal are you taking your rule?

I would be piling both situations as fast as possible.

The K showing up on the bottom board might have been the absolute worse card in the deck because with villain potting river it is probably a fold.

This game is about being the one with the nuts.


Now you are getting into combinations of having a half decent hand on one board and a decent or nut draw on other board and of course it gets more complicated and starts to be in the judgement zone. But the main point of how the game is played is to have nuts. The best comparison is to Omaha high low, you can drive the action with the nuts in one direction. But if you don't have the nuts in one direction then you are really the one hoping not to get scooped or quartered. This is a passive playing game without the nuts. Your example here is the near nuts on one board, sure the near nuts is near the nuts. Use your judgement. But...

I'm telling you the nut flush on a non-paired non-straight flush board is the money maker. Period. Everything else is just playing on the margins waiting for your next nut flush where everyone is piling money in trying to win the other board where you get half the money or the are piling money in with the non-nut flush, sets, etc.

Honestly, is this even PLO related? Lol.

Is double board PLO a PLO related topic? WFT?!

Generally still a call on river. It's thin but still reliably +ev.

Hero gets scooped by 1 combo of aa, 1 combo of kk and may get quartered by a7xx.

Villain is going to pot way more boats than that though on this type of action, and should be capable of playing other hands agressively with good blockers but no boats. For example a hand like aqt5. A good villain may be a lot wider than one expects here.

Also even though it doesn't happen a lot, its still possible for Hero to scoop or win 3/4. Villain could have a hand like 76xx or a7xx or a66t.

K is actually a pretty brutal river on the 2nd board. id think its dependent on your pool but at least in the most of the games i play in people almost never bluff without the nuts on one board hoping to blast someone off of the other board. i think you might be able to call if its a nl game because people play terribly in these without a plo background but id imagine its close. i think i like the idea of folding the flop the most of anything presented so far

you really need to pay attention to rake in these. most of the games ive played in do these every dealer change and take time / tip out of the pot and it becomes incredibly difficult to call bets early as a result. if its just standard rake you're still very likely going to hit rake cap and being presented with even worse odds than it initially appears

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