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11-13-2012 , 02:10 PM
game is playing pretty wild pre, but fairly straightforward post. Most pots are single raised and go 5+ ways to the flop.

V1 is a decent player when winning, but plays pretty poorly when stuck. Currently is stuck around 10k (mostly in the the previous orbit) and likely looking to gamble it up a bit

V2 is well known TV pro, solid PLO player, likes to 3b any decent rundown in attempts to isolate the weaker players' opens.

Hero is stuck 30k, with likely a very tilty image.

V3 is a pretty big mark, doesn't like to fold anything pre or post.

V1: $15k
V2: $18k
V3: $10k
Hero: Covers

Game is 10-handed

Hero is SB with A 7 8 6

V1 raises UTG to $150, V2 raises MP to $400, Hero calls $400, V3 in BB calls $400, V1 calls $250

Flop:As 7c 4d

Hero checks, V2 checks, V1 checks, V3 bets $1200, Hero raises to $3800, V3 folds, V1 pots it to ~$13k, V2 tanks for a few minutes and puts it in for ~$17k

Hero??

Almost 100% sure V2 has a wrap as he rarely 3b's any AAxx hands this deep and likely wouldn't fake tank the flop before putting it in. V1 probably has AA occasionally, but probably discounted a bit due to the non 4b pre.

Call/fold? Anybody just call the $1200 and see what develops?
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11-13-2012 , 02:35 PM
definitely call flop. Snapfold now, you have max 4 outs plus 2 bdfd.
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11-13-2012 , 03:21 PM
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Originally Posted by notontilt09

V1 raises UTG to $150, V2 raises MP to $400, Hero calls $400, V3 in BB calls $400, V1 calls $250

Flop:As 7c 4d

Hero checks, V2 checks, V1 checks, V3 bets $1200, Hero raises to $3800, V3 folds, V1 pots it to ~$13k, V2 tanks for a few minutes and puts it in for ~$17k
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11-13-2012 , 03:22 PM
well you arent folding now, but flatting flop was probably better. I also would not have minded a cold 4bet pre if you have position on v2.
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11-13-2012 , 03:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Scrudge
i just switched up numbers here. BB is rec. player, action on flop checked to the preflop 3bettor.
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11-13-2012 , 05:24 PM
Raising the flop's terrible. Even playing HU, you could go either way on whether you wanna raise this or not. Playing a hand 4-ways in a 3-bet pot in a FR game, it's a really clear C/C.
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11-13-2012 , 10:57 PM
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Originally Posted by notontilt09
Hero checks, V2 checks, V1 checks, V3 bets $1200, Hero raises to $3800, V3 folds, V1 pots it to ~$13k, V2 tanks for a few minutes and puts it in for ~$17k
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Originally Posted by Scrudge
My mind is also blown... how can V3 (who isn't really V3? Bet and fold to a raise before V1 or V2 has acted and how can V1 re-pot before V2 has action if V2 checked before V1?)

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Originally Posted by notontilt09
V3 checks, V1 checks, Hero checks, V2 bets $1200, V3 folds, V1 calls, Hero raises to $3800, V2 pots it to ~$13k, V1 tanks for a few minutes and puts it in for ~$17k, Hero ???

FYP?

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Originally Posted by krmont22
well you arent folding now
+1 to shooting himself in the foot by raising flop. Is this a definite snap? I've never played 10 handed PLO and I know this is worst case scenario but...

ProPokerTools Omaha Hi Simulation
600,000 trials (Randomized)
board: A74
Hand Pot equity Wins Ties
Ad7d8c6c13.98% 45,13177,721
876532.90% 157,92479,116
AA**53.12% 317,8291,989

He needs 26.7% (Assuming 0%FE on the 1-2k both villains have left behind according to stack sizes). Again I know this is nut worst case scenario but was just wondering if you would mind explaining villains ranges a bit more here to show this as a snap. I'm probably just overestimating the effect of a 4 way pot in a 10 handed game.
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11-14-2012 , 06:13 AM
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Originally Posted by iggymcfly
Raising the flop's terrible. Even playing HU, you could go either way on whether you wanna raise this or not. Playing a hand 4-ways in a 3-bet pot in a FR game, it's a really clear C/C.
+1 not raising flop. Really want to know ending??
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11-14-2012 , 06:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Hoopman20
My mind is also blown... how can V3 (who isn't really V3? Bet and fold to a raise before V1 or V2 has acted and how can V1 re-pot before V2 has action if V2 checked before V1?)

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FYP?



+1 to shooting himself in the foot by raising flop. Is this a definite snap? I've never played 10 handed PLO and I know this is worst case scenario but...

ProPokerTools Omaha Hi Simulation
600,000 trials (Randomized)
board: A74
Hand Pot equity Wins Ties
Ad7d8c6c13.98% 45,13177,721
876532.90% 157,92479,116
AA**53.12% 317,8291,989

He needs 26.7% (Assuming 0%FE on the 1-2k both villains have left behind according to stack sizes). Again I know this is nut worst case scenario but was just wondering if you would mind explaining villains ranges a bit more here to show this as a snap. I'm probably just overestimating the effect of a 4 way pot in a 10 handed game.
well the best case scenario has them both with wraps and we have sweet equity vs two players with wraps! maybe some guy going nuts with 7654, whatever!
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11-14-2012 , 02:17 PM
i'm most surprised we have such good equity against bottom set

ProPokerTools Omaha Hi Simulation
2,152,500 trials (Exhaustive)
board: A74
Hand Pot equity Wins Ties
Ad7d8c6c39.96% 854,79810,482
4460.04% 1,287,22010,482

anyway, kind of sucks b/c you hit flop pretty well but vs a CRAI and call you aren't getting it in good here. i would have lost $1600 on this hand by c/c/f flop instead of all my $
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11-17-2012 , 11:43 PM
everyone's pretty much nailed it, guy who put 13k in flop had AAxx, and other had wrap. AAxx guy needs to have wraps way more often than AA for this to be anywhere near a call it seems.
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