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10/20 three tight spots. 10/20 three tight spots.

12-07-2008 , 11:21 PM
one.

have played lots w/ villain. hes pretty good, solid. he thinks that im a spewmonkey fwiw so hell prolly call me v light here. when he 3bets pre his range is prolly some high rundown or good aces and kings. i figure my two pair outs are somewhat clean and i also have a gutshot so i stick it in. yes/no?


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MP: $2467.00
Hero (CO): $2000.00
BTN: $6534.10
SB: $2000.00
BB: $4321.00
UTG: $2660.00

Pre Flop: ($30.00) Hero is CO with 6 4 3 5
UTG raises to $60, 1 fold, Hero calls $60, BTN calls $60, SB raises to $320, 2 folds, Hero calls $260, 1 fold

Flop: ($780.00) 4 Q 8 (2 players)
SB bets $600, Hero sticks it in, villain gets 3-1

two.

some random donkey threebets me, he doesnt threebet all that much, and we all call. anybody 4bet here? do we 4bet say KKT8ds? he checks and we checks because bet/calling and bet/folding sucks imo. so now villain from hand one pots it and its back to us. i figured our kings might be good and if not hey, we have another gutterball! we only have to be good 40% of the time here.

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BB: $5149.00
UTG: $1716.50
Hero (MP): $3405.00
CO: $8035.00
BTN: $2079.00
SB: $3931.51

Pre Flop: ($30.00) Hero is MP with 8 K K T
1 fold, Hero raises to $70, CO calls $70, BTN calls $70, 1 fold, BB raises to $360, Hero calls $290, CO calls $290, BTN calls $290

Flop: ($1450.00) 3 9 6 (4 players)
BB checks, Hero checks, CO bets $1447, BTN folds, BB folds, Hero raises to $3045 all in, CO calls $1598

three.

ive tangled some HU w/ villain before. he knows that im not afraid to jack it in light etc. this is just 10 hands or so in the session. he is fairly straightforward and his bet size (pot) suggests that he never folds here. do we still put it in here? again, we have a gutshot if spades are dead!


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Hero (SB): $2233.00
BTN/BB: $1871.00

Pre Flop: ($30.00) Hero is SB with Q 6 7 9
BTN/BB raises to $60, Hero raises to $180, BTN/BB calls $120

Flop: ($360.00) 3 4 2 (2 players)
Hero bets $275, BTN/BB raises to $1184
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12-08-2008 , 12:04 AM
I don't like Hands 1 and 2.

Hand 3 I kind of like cking this flop.
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12-08-2008 , 03:41 AM
hand 1: I dont like it, if the flop was rainbow it would be alright imo.
hand 2: I rather fold than 4-bet and I prefer just giving up on the flop.
hand 3: close but I lean towards a fold.
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12-08-2008 , 08:24 AM
I dont think we are ever 'good' as in 'ahead' in hand 2 since we are mostly about flipping vs all his big drawing hands (would he bet a bad drawing had like naked 78? no?) and trying to suck out vs his 2p/set hands, occasionally he has the same gutshot with two pair or similar too.
Still pretty close tho, I sometimes do this but its more often vs stupid and too aggressive players than good solid regs. (like a guy who would always bet AK87 here thinking 'OOooooo its checked to me and I has a draw ill bet')
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12-08-2008 , 08:25 AM
Interesting marginal situations.

Hand 1: if I'm villain I'm pot committed to calling any shove after the flop bet. I would expect AAxx/KKxx/AKQx to show up 75% of the time and fd to be accompanying 75% of that time. I would've preferred to have hearts or at least Ah in my hand before shoving. W/o hearts in my hand its a spew.

Hand 2: clear fold. This board is way too coordinated to think your KKxx is any good. In addition there's absolutely no fe. I'd expect to see pair+ w/wrap. Being ds doesn't change anything on a rainbow flop.

Hand 3: no stats/read on villain. Also no information on timing tell. If I'm villain then the flop bet timing tell is going to determine what I do if I'm not totally dominated. As the villain who got 3b pre, I'm shoving with any set/straight/overpair with fd. I'm undecided if I'd do the same with just an overpair w/o ur stats. Given that, I'm likely to fold flop knowing that the villain has me completely dominated.

These hands should be reprentative of the bottom of your range. If not then they're a bit spewy, imo.
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12-08-2008 , 10:13 AM
Hand 1, no.

In H2 i dont get why you think bet/callin is so much worse than C/AI. You take it down >15%? of the time?The good reg is never gonna bet/fold there and its not often he bet/calls some awful hand that you crush. H2 is still a lot closer than H1 tho and your not in that bad shape vs his range, mostly 6789, 789T type of hands? If the rest of his range his towards the worse, or similar hands, rather than sets its definitely a C/AI.
Also metagame-wise better to C/AI vs this guy, i'd guess? Slightly more often you prefer a free card in this situation.

(oh wait, i didnt see it was 4 handed to the flop. My text above is for 3 players.)

Hand 3, hate, in general, the lead on flop

Last edited by Quasar30; 12-08-2008 at 10:34 AM.
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12-08-2008 , 11:15 AM
(didnt read previous replies)

hand 1: what bothers me is his cbet size, that looks pot commited

hand 2 if he has a lot of good medium wraps in his preflop range (u suggest he's not 3betting them) then i like

hand 3 i dont get the lead out, isnt CR better?
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12-08-2008 , 06:39 PM
pretty ugly first 2 hands, must be nice to run good - fold both flops

3 I'd just fold as well, having no FE sucks balls
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12-08-2008 , 07:20 PM
I play it almost exactly the same in all these spots, including getting it in hand #3 with any history at the table. These hands need to be viewed in context of image, if OP is playing the way he is in these 3 hands for awhile at these tables, ranges need to be widened altho that hardly makes an effect in hand #1 and 2.

I think we are seeing a fold about 0% of the time in hand #1 and drawing against hopefully just aces.


...But im a variance fest shove monkey.
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12-08-2008 , 07:38 PM
foldfoldfold
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