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10/20 Live - cbet AKT9 MW? 10/20 Live - cbet AKT9 MW?

11-20-2023 , 08:29 PM
We are playing in a private game with 5% uncapped rake. People are bad and calling pretty loose preflop. 7 out of 9 are loosingplayers

Single Blind 10, 1 straddle is possible from every position, 9 max table

Hero is UTG with AKT9

CO (~800k€) Straddles to 20€
BU (~2k€) calls to 20€
BB (~1,5k€) calls to 10€
Hero (1,8k€) raises to 100€
UTG+1 (~5k€) calls to 100€
UTG+2 (~3k€) calls to 100€
fold
fold
CO calls, BU calls, BB calls

Flop (600€): AJ8
BB checks, Hero ?

I always feel uncomfortable with this kind of spots, flopped well without the FD.
most of the people are trying to get it in with their hands, its like a fit or fold game, sometimes we would see a call.
SPR ist around 3, do we cbet pot and broke on this kind of flops? check and decide? i think both options are fine, leaning more towards cbet pot cause we can fold out weak FDs and other hands which have enough EQ vs our hand.
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11-20-2023 , 08:55 PM
I'd check it
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11-20-2023 , 09:57 PM
Check.
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11-20-2023 , 10:59 PM
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Originally Posted by plock
I'm leaning more towards cbet pot cause we can fold out weak FDs and other hands which have enough EQ vs our hand.
Check.

That is a lot of opponents to try and get to fold. I like to categorize things as,

opponents = 1
opponents = 2
opponents > 2

Against more than two opponents, for you to drive the action with a bet you are going to start needing the 1st nut or 2nd nut made hand (or draw). You started with a double suited hand and it was double suited to both high cards the A and the K. I'm cool with you betting here if you had hit your suit and had the 1st nut flush draw or the 2nd nut flush draw. And I would be cool with you even betting bigger and more often with the 2nd nut flush draw (or put differently I'm cool with you betting smaller and less often with the 1st nut flush draw to keep people in).
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11-21-2023 , 10:10 AM
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Originally Posted by plock
5% uncapped rake. 9 out of 9 are losing players
FYP
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11-21-2023 , 10:54 AM
Check is your only option 6 ways - there's a very high chance someone has 2 pr, or at least Ax with a flush draw. You're just checking and praying to see a free turn.
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11-23-2023 , 12:11 AM
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Originally Posted by wazz
FYP
I remember watching your coaching videos more than 10 years ago, think it was Cardrunners right?
They also take some money out of every pot for a jackpot, so you are playing a ~8% uncapped game,. But we have some of the softest games full with degenerate gamblers.

filtered for all uncapped games, profit/hours




b2t:

against a range of JJ**, 88**, AJ**, A8**, Ac*c**, KcQcT9 we have 40,4% EQ + FE.
Isn't this enough to consider betting, should be close?

ingame i checked the flop because of some reasons u guys mentioned: MW OOP with a medium strong hand


Hero is UTG with AKT9

CO (~800€) Straddles to 20€
BU (~2k€) calls to 20€
BB (~1,5k€) calls to 10€
Hero (1,8k€) raises to 100€
UTG+1 (~5k€) calls to 100€
UTG+2 (~3k€) calls to 100€

fold
fold
CO calls, BU calls, BB calls

Flop (600€): AJ8
BB checks, Hero checks, UTG+1 checks, UTG+2 checks, CO bets 600€, BU folds, BB folds, Hero ?

CO is one of those gamblers and has a very wide range here. We dont want to invite UTG+1 and +2 with a call so i think putting all the chips in the middle is the best option.
I would think about calling and folding on some turns vs a player with a deeper stack.
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11-23-2023 , 12:59 AM
Fold. We have just a very weak made hand and a very weak draw. Our opponent bet pot multiway. We are not getting odds to chase.
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11-23-2023 , 11:17 AM
yes of course i will always fold vs a guy with a SPR of 1,3

Quote:
We are not getting odds to chase.
show me some numbers please
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11-23-2023 , 11:54 AM
I ran some PPT figures and I think we have 40% vs a reasonable range here so I would call. What's interesting is if the turn blanks we still have 38% - this is assuming he pots here with all Ax with clubs, KT/KQ with clubs. There's also a decent chance we can realize our equity on certain turns and will sometimes have a bluffing opportunity. With all things considered I think I'd call.
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11-23-2023 , 11:58 AM
It's different at these stakes aggression wise so lots of other factors come into play being the nature of poker and its relation to stakes so idk it would depend on the game within a game but it's close maybe 75 percent check vs 25 percent bet. If other factors make betting stronger than the 25 percent I think the cap is around 45 percent bet but it still wouldn't be that horrible if your playing your A game and are sure of your situation. Betting here may lead to better decisions in other hands rather than the other way around, being that your playing these stakes. Gl
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11-23-2023 , 06:47 PM
pro tip : when 6 people see a flop in plo, usually at least two of them smashed it.
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11-23-2023 , 11:32 PM
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Originally Posted by franklymydearirais
pro tip : when 6 people see a flop in plo, usually at least two of them smashed it.
This level of analysis is why 2+2 is the greatest poker forum there is.
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