villian is a very well known highstakes player, but I don't want to post names.
He plays in my db like: 27/23/10 4bet: 9%
but I think most of you guys have more laggier stats from him like 34/28/16
he c/r on the turn 18%
Maybe cb turn ist better, but because of his relatively low 4bet frequency I think there is some value of betting the turn
I also think its maybe better to just flat preflop, but I don't know I think I'm 3betting that deep IP about 15-20%
I think he fews me as a pretty aggro reg, that barrels a lot and that I would barrel that turn a ton.

***** Hand History for Game 59644447549 ***** (Poker Stars)
$2000.00 USD PL Omaha

Seat 3 is the button
Seat 1: V ( $12186.50 USD )
Seat 2: xx ( $2670.00 USD )
Seat 3: Hero ( $7424.20 USD )
Seat 4: xx( $2248.60 USD )
Seat 5: xx ( $2134.70 USD )
Seat 6: xx ( $4154.00 USD )

** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Volanthn [ A A Q 5 ]
xx folds
V raises [$60.00 USD]
xx folds
Hero raises [$234.00 USD]
xx folds
xx folds
V calls [$174.00 USD]

** Dealing Flop ** [ 8, T, 3 ]
V checks
Hero bets [$340.00 USD]
V calls [$340.00 USD]

** Dealing Turn ** [ 8 ]
V checks
Hero bets [$660.00 USD]
V raises [$2100.00 USD]
Hero???

I think this is not a question that can really be answered out of context. Your bet sizing, whether/how you continue here, etc, are extremely dependent on the dynamic, especially this deep...

Cole South gonna Cole South

+1

So player dependant.

i like the way you played pf/flop and i also like your bet on turn. now id fold... but i guess its close. he def has some boats on his range given how deep you are on flop (not many bbtw), but i feel its sick laydown our top range, i feel too much exploitable folding this vs someone good.

its hard, i guess thats why nobody posted here... sick hand.

tough spot i usally fold. so often see at least an 8 at showdown. furthermore i do not want to face a large rivr bet that is coming almost for sure

Def not folding

for the guys who say not folding. are you planning on calling the rivershove on a blank?

I could flat preflop with that aces, we have position and we can play a smaller pot. You'll end up so often playing in the dark with just an overpair. I prefer 3bet ds aces or with 2 broadways (or with another OP, of course).

As played we should fold the turn... I don't wanna call a big river bet and I think he has often 8-x, also if he's an aggressive guy.

flat entire range inc this hand and more often than not fold to river barrel... turning hand into a bluff if he chks str8 or flush cards

I like this a lot.

And urubu, how are we at the top of our range? We 3bet 20%, so when we barrel this turn, we have 8+ quite often.

If you want to turn this into a river bruff, why even bother to continue?
And its not like villain slows down on blanks....

This would be the nut opposite of my plan.

You need to admit that you got caught with a part of your range that doesnt do well with a bet/call on the turn and adjust accordingly.

Based on stacksizes you have to check it back a whole lot more if you are wondering in this spot. To do any different, you have to know if he does this too often or too little.

wat

i mean u just said he's firing blanks 100% when u imply that our range should be an 8 / boats and ask why i wanna turn our hand into a bluff on certain cards that make lesser hands than boats but greater hands than two pair when that will often times be your perceived range

imo doorbread's plan is good IF we decide call on turn. but on turn i still wondering if villain is doing this w JT9 or something.

also, if villain has something like JT9, he will be firing some river as bluff w blockers etc.

Against a tough laggy opponent who will c/r this turn a ton and fire the river a large % of the time I would check this back given stacks are deep and your hand has no backup. As played, once you decide to bet I think its a fold as too many times you're going to be in a guessing game for a big bet on the river.

I suspect the difference here is that you claim a decent idea about his range. (including made hands, reasonably semi-bluff heavy and very little to no air)

My claim is that it should have decent air in it for us to continue, and in that case I want to take the free sd when offered and call down blanks reasonably often.

This one bothered me and so I decided to actually look up the math on it.

ProPokerTools Omaha Hi Simulation

509,200 trials (Exhaustive)

board: 8t38

Hand	Pot equity	Wins	Ties
AdAhQc5s	33.27%	168,583	1,701
(8***,TT**,33**,9J**,79**,AcT*c*)&30%	66.73%	338,916	1,701

ProPokerTools Omaha Hi Simulation

346,040 trials (Exhaustive)

board: 8t38

Hand	Pot equity	Wins	Ties
AdAhQc5s	33.17%	113,943	1,701
(8***,TT**,33**,9J**,79**,AcT*c*)&22%	66.83%	230,396	1,701

ProPokerTools Omaha Hi Simulation

207,240 trials (Exhaustive)

board: 8t38

Hand	Pot equity	Wins	Ties
AdAhQc5s	34.14%	69,891	1,701
(8***,TT**,33**,9J**,79**,AcT*c*)&15%	65.86%	135,648	1,701

Just a quick approximation leads us to a breakeven spot not considering what happens on the river.

This is assuming he semibluffs 100%. if you cut down that to lets say 50%, our equity will plummett.

This is such an effective move that we dont have any counter to it other than bet/folding or checking back a bunch

Putting any faith in hero river plays to make up the lost equity is kinda optimistic, but maybe some of us can read souls better than most.

not a spot in which you can pinpoint his air, sets account for too much of the range and I don't think he'd play 33 this way. you say it's a really effective move with no counter, and if your continuing range is really 8xxx / sets, I'd agree. leveling spots can't really be broken down like this. your frequencies have to vary and a lot of it is gameflow dependent / feel. if your range remains static in spots like this you're gonna get owned, period.

Anytime range are polarized, equity calcs are near worthless imo. Weighing air is easier by just thinking than entering combos.

Luckily in PLO lots of spots are unpolarized.

I ended up calling turn and river, I don't think it's the best play against everyone but it's kind of a leveling thing...

^^ Tease...