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Old 08-31-2021, 08:09 PM   #1
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10/10 PLO Top set 450BB deep vs Maniac

I am not a PLO player, so please be understanding. The pot sizes might not be accurate, I don't understand how they work...

This a NL game, but we play one PLO hand every hour.

SB is a crazy player, capable of huge bluffs with blockers. We saw him go broke for 8K in a 17K pot the week prior with a blocker to the nutflush in another PLO pot. 7K stack

Other players are not very relevant to the hand.

Hero is BTN does not play PLO often and everybody knows it (then again, most of them don't either). Super tight in this game, but has ran good in the past. 4.4K stack

7 handed

Hero is BTN and sees TT9A
I don't remember who bets pre, but not SB, anyway we all go to the flop.
Flop (210?) T97
SB says this is a great flop and pots, it folds to Hero who calls
Turn (630?) 6
SB bets pot, hero call
River (1890) 2
Villain bets pot again, Hero?

I am pretty sure this a fold given that we block the 9s and there are not many bluffs except for busted diamonds (and even then we block the nut flush draw).

What I would like to know is, can we find a fold before the river?

Fwiw, my pot sizes are very inaccurate, the pot was at least 2.5K river. I am not just not sure where I went wrong, so I'll leave it at that.
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Old 08-31-2021, 08:25 PM   #2
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Re: 10/10 PLO Top set 450BB deep vs Maniac

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I am not a PLO player, so please be understanding. The pot sizes might not be accurate, I don't understand how they work...

This a NL game, but we play one PLO hand every hour.

SB is a crazy player, capable of huge bluffs with blockers. We saw him go broke for 8K in a 17K pot the week prior with a blocker to the nutflush in another PLO pot. 7K stack

Other players are not very relevant to the hand.

Hero is BTN does not play PLO often and everybody knows it (then again, most of them don't either). Super tight in this game, but has ran good in the past. 4.4K stack

7 handed

Hero is BTN and sees TT9A
I don't remember who bets pre, but not SB, anyway we all go to the flop.
Flop (210?) T97
SB says this is a great flop and pots, it folds to Hero who calls
Turn (630?) 6
SB bets pot, hero call
River (1890) 2
Villain bets pot again, Hero?

I am pretty sure this a fold given that we block the 9s and there are not many bluffs except for busted diamonds (and even then we block the nut flush draw).

What I would like to know is, can we find a fold before the river?

Fwiw, my pot sizes are very inaccurate, the pot was at least 2.5K river. I am not just not sure where I went wrong, so I'll leave it at that.
You have top set and nut flush draw on turn and you're asking whether you can fold before river? HARD NO. Call call fold seems good.
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Old 08-31-2021, 08:40 PM   #3
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Re: 10/10 PLO Top set 450BB deep vs Maniac

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You have top set and nut flush draw on turn and you're asking whether you can fold before river? HARD NO. Call call fold seems good.
I made a mistake, my T is probably T and the board a T, or the other way around. I for sure did not have NFD anyway. My bad.
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Old 09-01-2021, 12:53 AM   #4
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Re: 10/10 PLO Top set 450BB deep vs Maniac

Got it. So closer but still call turn, you can turn it into a bluff on diamond rivers
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Old 09-05-2021, 02:05 PM   #5
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Re: 10/10 PLO Top set 450BB deep vs Maniac

Calling turns with top set is fairly standard without a flush already getting there. AP can't see how you fold until the river (which is an easy fold).
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Old 09-16-2021, 07:54 PM   #6
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Re: 10/10 PLO Top set 450BB deep vs Maniac

Call call fold super standard.


set hands that we can consider calling with would include a jack and exclude diamonds.
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Old 09-17-2021, 02:16 AM   #7
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Re: 10/10 PLO Top set 450BB deep vs Maniac

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What I would like to know is, can we find a fold before the river?

Sure, you can fold the flop. You have fewer outs than an open ended draw, and your draw is fairly face up getting only 2:1. Although with these stack sizes I wouldn't fault a peel.
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Old 09-17-2021, 08:37 PM   #8
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Re: 10/10 PLO Top set 450BB deep vs Maniac

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Sure, you can fold the flop. You have fewer outs than an open ended draw, and your draw is fairly face up getting only 2:1. Although with these stack sizes I wouldn't fault a peel.
No bdfd is a fold. Can argue that blocking self is a fold.
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Old 09-18-2021, 04:05 PM   #9
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Re: 10/10 PLO Top set 450BB deep vs Maniac

There's a lot here, and the lack of all the details doesn't help.

Like if you are just setting fire to $30 pre. because everyone is, and you just want to make sure you aren't being bluffed a ton on the river ... then, sure, it's fine. gg OP.


But depending on what cards we actually have fold pre. might be the obvious choice. The next big problem I see on the flop is that we could easily have the best hand given the info. provided on villain, but we rarely want to raise so there's a lot of runouts where we'll just call down hoping he's bluffing. Even on this runout where almost any 8 makes a better hand, he's allowed to have KQJ/QJJ:dd type hands at a minimum.
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Old 09-20-2021, 08:04 PM   #10
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Re: 10/10 PLO Top set 450BB deep vs Maniac

Versus somebody maniacal who is going to be semi-bluffing here a ton I think this is basically mandatory to jam in on the turn for 100bb. This deep you would have a tiny bit left if you potted? I don't think it's a bad option, but get's kinda awkward cause ur only 40% versus made straights.

Edit, just saw you didn't have nut flush draw. My bad, defs call call fold I think.

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