Game is actually a $1/$3 NLH game in a Houston card room, but we play a hand of PLO every orbit-ish. The NLH play is bad, the PLO play is worse. I'm playing at an unusual time (for me) so I'm not familiar with the players. Villain is the big stack at table and he's played TAGish in NLH - raising hands that he plays, cbing when he's the preflop aggressor), haven't seen anything note worthy out of him yet in the few PLO hands we've played. He's an older Asian gentleman, seems like he is probably a day game regular. I'm not a strong PLO player as this post will demonstrate!

I bought in for $1200 and ran it up to $1900 in about 30 minutes. Won a big PLO double board bomb pot without a showdown and won a good sized NLH pot where I took a chicken **** line with a set and got it to showdown (floated flop, spiked my set on the turn but it also completed the flush and I just called the pfrer's turn and river bets...villain in that hand was the villain in this hand).

Villain covers me, so effective stacks are $1900.
I'm the button and I've straddled to $6
There are a couple of limpers and then villain makes it $30 from LJ.
HJ Calls, he's pretty loose, no telling what he's got
CO folds
I call from the button w A Q J 9
One limper calls

How am I doing so far? Not sure if this hand should even be a call.

Flop ($130) K T 7

EP limp/caller checks
Villain bets $85
HJ folds
I raise pot which is $385 (although the dealer initially tells me it's $245 and offers up several others guesses before we help him to the correct answer!)
Villain re-raises me to $885
Hero ???

Seems like this can't ever be a call, I'm either folding or shoving? Villain is explaining that he is out of position and has to press the action or I'll blow him off the hand, and he's encouraging me to shove so we can run it twice and chop.

I'm giving him KK at the very worst, just not sure if the 4b means it's always KK w clubs?

Oof. That is a tough one. It's fold or shove. Gross. He could be free-rolling you, but if you are going to RIT, I go for it. Depends on if it will tilt you to lose, too.

FWIW, I don't raise flop unless my plan is to gii.

Call flop, playing turns is easy and you could wind up in good spots.

With nfd I’m happily piling.

Fold pre, call flop.

As played I think I'd call. It's better than shipping imo, because you can c/f when the board pairs. You will get action at least with straights.

It's not NFD though, it is J high flush draw + wrap. Which I'm guessing is why we wouldn't want to pot raise flop, in case we are up against wrap with higher FD or set with higher fd. KcKxXc out there also.

I'm just a hold'em player with occasional PLO experience. Speaking to a fellow holdem player, I think the key concept here is probably that you want either the nuts or to be drawing to the nuts in PLO. In holdem, and open ended straight draw + a flush draw is a really strong hand on the flop and pretty good hand on the turn in that it can be used as a bluff or profitably call a pot sized bet.

In Omaha, it is much more important to be drawing to the nuts. Your wrap is good, but, but I don't think the 4th nut flush draw is the type of hand you want to be getting in on the flop when you started with over 300 straddles.

As played you're kinda screwed. I'll defer to the more seasoned PLO players about what you should do now.

Fold pre, especially given the rake structure in $1/$3 games. Feel like we could 3b/f if we had good suits, but need to double check with PLO Matrix

Flop is a call. Our hand benefits more from seeing an additional card than it does from denying equity.

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They have KK, hit with the flushwrap

They have NFD and wrap, hit the 8c and scoop.


PLO too easy.

You could fold this pre. Your hand plays pretty bad multiway.

Fine hand HU, pretty bad when you need to hit harder in multi spots.

Don't raise the flop because well... yeah. Basically you have nothing in your hand that increases your ~FE and you have no showdown value + equity vs stacking range is bad. The fact that you're splitting against lets say AQ98 fd is bad or lose even to a AQJ7nfd.

I'm probably folding now, the equity is not there.

I think you are on the right track. Drawing to the nuts is very important when you are inflating the pot when the flop spr is like 13. You are in very bad shape verse so many hands on this flop when you pot raise and get 3 bet. For instance akqt with nut clubs has you in the hurt locker. Even hands like akk8 with the nfb block alot of your outs.

Best case it's naked KK, which I honestly like just calling the raise with this deep with how wet the board is. Because your a dawg verse a 16 card wrap + fd. Which is likely what villain has and is why he wants to get it in and run it twice.

If you are going to raise the flop I think pot is also a bad sizing. I'd go 2/3 or 3/4 psb to something like 245. But as played, and with the speech play I'd get it in. However, without the speech and not knowing if they will run it twice, I would just call. Then if the board pairs I can fold. Moreover, in my experience people with little plo experience are shoving naked kk on every turn allowing you to get it in with 78% often.

We’re doing just fine against kings or any hand that doesn’t have a bigger flush draw.

As played I would call the flop 3b in order to call every turn that doesn’t pair the board.

Flop raise is a disaster. It achieves far too little at far too high a price and isolates you against a range that has you in trouble. Raising pisses away your position, which is going to be key to you maximising when you hit and minimising when you lose. Versus this bet sizing and on this board you could well find yourself with no raising range.