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09-19-2015 , 11:24 AM
£1/£2 PLO CASH


Hero sb £1100
Villan bb £2000 - very aggressive loose player with deep pockets and some history with the hero( hero doubled up on a draw all in on the flop)
8 players limp
Hero pots pre to 18 , 7 players call
Ad Kd Qs Th
Pot roughly around 170
Flop KsAhTs
Hero pots 170, bb and button calls
Turn KsAhTs5c
Hero bets 300
Bb raises to 900
Button folds , action on hero
???? Hero all in to call ???
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09-19-2015 , 05:44 PM
I don't see any reason to pot pre, especially considering you are in the SB

I don't see any reason to pot flop

I guess turn is an easy fold, but it's live, will depend on read sof course, reads you don't provide. his vpip, aggro ratio etc

QJ KK TT all have you crushed

the As is live which is nice, maybe some JJ combos,

Because your turns sizing is inconsistent, it could be seen as either an induce or a weak hand, so your range is kind of polarized. This makes his range pretty polarised also... So you can hero call there sometimes, but it's kind of sick
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09-19-2015 , 06:41 PM
You missplayed all streets.

Call preflop, check/call flop, check/call turn.

As played, fold and hate yourself for the missplay. Villain get to the turn with 1 bluff combination.
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09-20-2015 , 01:29 AM
How odd, you guys both think raising pre is -ev? It's live, these guys are limping so much junk that we can make so much money vs their trash range when we hit and just x/f when we whiff.
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09-20-2015 , 06:19 AM
This hand is junk when it is 9 handed on the SB, when it hits strong chances are it will easy to get paid regardless of raising pre or not.

Anyway, I said I dont' see any reason to pot, not raising, bloating the pot with 2x is amusing though
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09-21-2015 , 12:49 AM
once u get called in 2 spots otf ur pretty much dead to an A, (maaaaybe a K) thats if theres any left thats live if 8ppl limp called £18 it looks slim tbh.

i don't mind the rpf as ppl limp with any 4 live and so u def have a raising hand imo for £1/2 live. Sometimes it'll fold out total trash hands that can outflop u but as soon as early pos players call its like dominos and they all call.

regarding the hand, don't bet flop, chk fold turn imo
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09-21-2015 , 04:22 AM
meh, pre certainly ain´t bad.
just c/c flop
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09-21-2015 , 06:10 AM
It certainly is bad

it's a -3% grad at default, factor position, and the existence of limp-raise ranges + pre mucking ranges , and it is literally burning money.

If going to raise pre you min raise, and only because you want to half the SPR when everyone calls again, if you get 3b there then just hope it is someone who limp 3bs KQj8ds or something, but that's not going to happen, but you are a pro vs thesde live fish so you can take that cost there, potting means you have to play like god tbh, which won't happen enough with the pathetic volume you get playing live.
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09-21-2015 , 08:40 AM
Default would be to limp pre but potting can be OK if we have some fold equity. AKQTds becomes mandatory raise regardless if we get everyone calling.

Post-flop is spewing everywhere. What are you even trying to accomplish with your bets?
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09-25-2015 , 07:42 AM
I am recreational PLO player and play live seldom.(Total Noob)
This game was super juicy and everyone was limp calling every hand.
I Potted pre because I thought this was good hand and if I hit the flop I will pot as first to act and did the same on KsAhTs.

The Big blind and the button call on the flop.

If the button had QJ I thought he would not let me and others see the turn just by calling when their are 5 Players next to act.

The Turn was relatively blank , I bet 300 trying to represent Pocket AA , I reasoned I would bet the same amount if I really had AA. The Big Blind then reraised to 900.

The button folded and action was back on me.
I thought of calling but didn't want to loose my stack , I started the day with 200 and was up( I have no Roll for playing poker ), I thought I can find better spots later in the game and folded when eventually the clock was called.

I was so over thinking of loosing my stack I forgot I had and option to call and ask to run it twice which you can do here if the pot is more than £1000.

The Big blind later said he had JJ .
I was clearly out played.
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