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10-31-2024 , 12:45 AM

PhatPots

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I end up in some of these spots a lot. I have showdown value, but I am not sure what to do.

Hero is 100BB deep
Villain has ~200BB and is a good player

We are 6 handed
Preflop: Hero has 9

UTG
Hero raises to 3.5BB, 4 folds, and BB calls

Flop: Q

Villain checks, Hero checks

Turn: 3

Villain bets 5.6BB, Hero calls

River: K

Villain checks, Hero checks

I lose to K9, J9, Q9, T9, etc. which is not a huge part of the villain's range, but I think if they don't have an A, they are going to fold greater than 50%. Do we check this back or try to bluff off one of those marginal hands? Not sure If I am being results oriented or if should be bluffing here.

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10-31-2024 , 10:30 AM

Javanewt

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That is not a hand I'm playing from UTG, even six handed. However, as-played, it's fine. Not much else you can do.

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10-31-2024 , 04:59 PM

pokerfan655

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Well if you think they're going to fold greater than 50% without the A and they checked I think you have your answer.

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10-31-2024 , 05:42 PM

Polarbear1955

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Originally Posted by pokerfan655

Well if you think they're going to fold greater than 50% without the A and they checked I think you have your answer.

No he doesn't. The question on the bet is not what percentage V folds it is what percentage V calls and loses along with what percentage V folds where he would have won or chopped. Unless V calls if hero bets and he is currently has the best hand the fold does not add ev to the value of the bet.

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10-31-2024 , 05:55 PM

wazz

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I just check because they're expecting us to rep the A and unless we have the A or 9x we've been screwed so they're expecting us to turn a bunch of stuff into a bluff here.

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Originally Posted by Javanewt

That is not a hand I'm playing from UTG, even six handed. However, as-played, it's fine. Not much else you can do.

DS, gaps at the bottom? utg range should have a lot of DS stuff; would fold 9863ds but opening hands like this help you get paid off and keep your range well-balanced. They're also generally pretty easy to play

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11-01-2024 , 08:32 AM

Imaginary F(r)iend

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Fold pre at low. This is not good enough at low levels/high rake. The fact that 4 is not connected to anything other than 6 ruins this hand.

T976, great, 9865, fine. 8754, fine.

T975, meh, 9864, bad, 8753, bad.

Also people call way too much. You should have suited connectors but balancing UTG opening range with marginal or in this case losing suited connector generally burns money.

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11-01-2024 , 08:47 AM

pokerfan655

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Originally Posted by Polarbear1955

V isn't calling with worse hands and basically never has a chop. If we make the assumption he never calls with worse hands, never has as Ace with his check, and we can fold out better straights that are non nut over 50% of the time according to OP, there's not much more to talk about.

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11-01-2024 , 01:06 PM

wazz

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Originally Posted by Imaginary F(r)iend

I would argue that 9864 is a better hand than 5679 but that's just intuitive and I would be curious to see if anyone had database analysis that backed that or disagreed with it.

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11-01-2024 , 03:19 PM

Imaginary F(r)iend

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Solvers at least disagree strongly.

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11-01-2024 , 03:24 PM

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wazz

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Originally Posted by Imaginary F(r)iend

Solvers at least disagree strongly.

Doesn't surprise me

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11-01-2024 , 04:03 PM

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Franchise804

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Pre is meh especially at high rake levels.

Pretty sure we want an Ace or at least a two pair blocker in order to bluff.

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11-02-2024 , 11:00 PM

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amok

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Very obvious check. Bluff with hands that can't win, not with hands that want to show down.

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11-03-2024 , 04:16 AM

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damian^

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fold pre...as played is fine imo

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