V1 Seems one of the better players at ohama, although I think he overvalues some hands OOP esp. in DB (bet a decent amount in EP on a DB with AK32ds on KT3 / Q72r ) but has hit a couple of 3 outer type hands to scoop some big DB BP and is up piles and covers everyone.

V2 Can play well but can also be the sickest maniac ... and has lost a bunch tonight and is probably tilted. Another player who has never played with her before recently commented "all gas and no brakes" after a couple of hours.

V3 seems okay at omaha but maybe not played much DB, has around 200

H has around 500

OTTH

Everyone puts in 5 for the BP (9 of us).

Pot: 45
Flop B1: KQdTd
Flop B2: J74r -- there was one diamond

V1 bets 35
V3 calls
H calls with "Q653r" -- I assume no big arguments against this? I would consider folding more if B2 wasn't rainbow. Might have had a bad BDFD on B1 too. We also block a diamond FWIW.
V2 Ships it for 101 more
V1 calls
V3 folds
H calls?

Fold flop. You might have pot odds but the problem is equity realisation. With all the non nutted straight outs and essentially nothing on the other board you’ll be pushed off your hand even when you hit

This is such an easy fold on the flop. Even more so with NL format. And to be clear, still fold the 2nd time as played.

Your hand is pretty crappy on each board. Calling the first (or second) time is a huge mistake imo.

You want nutted robust equity when so many see the flops. Basically you want to continue if:

You have a stranglehold on one board or
You are strong on one and could win the other or
You have decent potential on each board.

I don't play DB BP very often and even I know this is a terrible hand to continue with. As everyone else has stated, your hand should hit the muck faster than... 'enter bad cliche here'... as soon as V1 starts putting out chips.

Interesting ... didn't expect to see snap fold both times as I expect to have the best equity on B2 by a significant margin most of the time (yes, B1 we are very unlikely to win).

Does everyone just snap fold K865 too? Basically only play AJ and AA/AKK/AQQ/A77/A44 with NFD in diamonds?
Maybe JJT qualifies in the other direction?

Fold everything that has no piece of B1.

You play hi/lo, right? Conceptually it's pretty much the same as LLL-flop in o8. You only continue with hands that have a good low (assuming you are not nearly all-in of course) and never with hands like AKJT with nfd.

Also, I have no idea how you think a weak wrap can be the best hand on J74r... You are losing to pretty much everything that continues.

JJT would be interesting whether to call or raise flop. AJ would depend a lot on side cards.

Another rule of thumb (advocating a fold with Q356) is you should ditch your hand quickly if a 2 card hand has you in bad shape, in this case being AJ.

Yeh, thanks everyone. I have to think more about how backdoors for the people playing B1 will reduce a lot of my equity.

I did realize that I was bad on B1 but thought it was more like AKJT with NFD on K43 in plo8 ... where the low draws are likely and you don't want to put lots of money in but on good turns you can have a lot of equity, now I guess it's more like AKJT with NFD on A43 where you still have high outs but it's not enough.


Had maybe a similar spot where I had J77x on JTT and 973 ... and again probably thought it was better than it was, calling flop multiway hoping for a brick on B2 but I'm still getting freerolled by JT hands.

I wouldn't even draw to this wrap if there was only one board.

The other key point is you would much rather have T98x than 653x. But Hero stills runs into reverse implied odds scenarios even when he hits his straight, he can get quartered, outdrawn or bluffed on scary runout. Blockers and premium draws are king in double board.

Unless I have the nuts on one board or possible nuts (draw is OK) on one and a very good hand on the other, I fold a lot in DB bomb pots. I basically never play to draw on only one board.