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09-22-2009 , 10:03 AM
I have £380, seat 1 is Richard Austins girlfriend, seat 2 is an egyptian dude I've played before who's slightly tighter and more aggro than the average live plo donk, but doesn't like to fold once he's put a lot of money in. They have history between them, I thought she was very good until she agreed to take back £200 each from a £1.2k pot where they got it in on the flop, she had flush draw + wrap and he had two pair. She hasn't been caught bluffing but I suspect that's just coz she's good at it.

Earlier I raised the egyptian on a board with 3 diamonds on with the bare ace of diamonds and followed up on the river when he checked to me and the pot > his stack.... he called with a 9 high flush. She probably views me as tight and solid.

2 limps, I make it £10 with Ah Kc Kd 2c, she calls from SB, he calls from BB, both limpers call.

Flop: Ks Qs 3h (£50)

Checked to me, I bet £40, she calls, he calls, 2 folds.

Turn: Ks Qs 3h Qd (£170)

Checked to me.

I expect she's folding any Q to a real bet from me, unless it's with a K. She's capable of check-calling the flop with top two, I'd imagine. He can't hand-read well enough, I expect, to fold any Q.

Fire? And how much? I have £330 left.
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09-22-2009 , 10:41 AM
in sessions where i've been caught with a bluff, for the next couple of hands, i tend to go for straight value and bet bet bet. i'm sure you've played enough live to know that bluffs stick in ppl's minds more. i've noticed that a lot of ppl have this mentality that once you've been caught bluffing, you're going to continue to try until you succeed, it's weird. this mindset is what lets me take them to value-town.

so even if you think seat 1 can play top 2 like this a reasonable amount of time, i think it's best to go for value in this spot. and if seat 2 has a Q, there's a good chance he won't fold it anyway.

i'd bet about 110/120.
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09-22-2009 , 10:44 AM
I dont see that this is a very complicated spot - given your reads the only chance you have of getting some cash off them is if they have a Q in their hand - they fold all str8 draws and wraps etc. maybe 33 gives you something.

Bet 110 leaving you 220 into 390/500 on the river depending on how many callers you get.
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09-22-2009 , 01:39 PM
bet 100-110. I think you should bet more or less your whole range here.
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09-22-2009 , 05:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Hattifnatt
bet 100-110. I think you should bet more or less your whole range here.
yeah i would also bet 100-110, i would also do this with my entire range here

i think this is the optimal betsize here
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09-22-2009 , 07:26 PM
I think I should be taking a free card here with hands like the nut flush draw and wrap, because by betting I fold out worse draws and keep in hands that have me drawing dead/thin.

I bet and they both folded, obv this wouldn't be a thread if I'd got a call.
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09-23-2009 , 02:14 AM
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Originally Posted by wazz
I think I should be taking a free card here with hands like the nut flush draw and wrap
This should not be overlooked.

Interesting that everyone says they would be betting their entire range, whereas, I think that, given your assumptions, while you should be acting the same way with your entire range, the correct action is rather clearly to check.

Edit: Meh, I misread the hand and thought that you got heads up with the broad on the turn. It's a lot closer than I thought... For me, it comes down to whether or not the fish continues to draw on paired boards. Also, does he peel the flop with hands like AQ(J/10)X? Does he repop bottom set on flop? It's not easy for him to have a made hand on the turn.

I still am leaning towards check with both villains in the pot.

Last edited by Halowax; 09-23-2009 at 02:29 AM.
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09-23-2009 , 08:51 AM
I think betting out and checking are pretty equal here, from a HH point of view. You would have a clearer indication of which is better being in the game.

Someone could easily have a Q and will probably go all the way with it. Alternatively they could all be drawing to wraps and flushed that will pay a valuebet on the river if it hits.

Ok so they folded.. meh, but it could easily have been a big pot too, i dont see alot wrong.
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09-23-2009 , 09:40 AM
Meh, saw results but I do 'randomly' check from the time to time. I never think I can barrel turn and river so I sacrifice the value lost from betting the turn in exchange for my line less likely to be believed so i get paid on the river. It works ok and I don't feel stupid if they check back, I bet river and they fold.
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