Tony would be a hero if he only acted this way towards Phil Hellmuth, because Phil deserves (like many others have already said) all the **** he gets.

Unfortunately this is not the case, and I think that is a shame.

Phil Hellmuth is in my opinion the only player in the world you should treat like **** at the table. Off course you should not cheat, but every angleshoot in the book should be allowed against PH.

Isn't his entire act kind of an angleshoot anyway?
He is acting like a DB in an attempt to get an edge he wouldn't otherwise have.

If Tony G had pulled this on the loose cannon, then 100% everybody would be against him but PH is a completely different animal.
Hellmuth deserves everything that is thrown at him.
Tony G pretty much only acts like this against players he really doesn't like. Players like Robl and Hellmuth are about the only guys he steps out of line against.

If a standard player pulled this in a casino against another random then 100% it is an angle shoot but in this situation it's just funny and Hellmuth needs to just take it on the chin

this is not true, he wants to beat the best players in the world. thats why he does it.
doubt he cares about the 100k if he loses sometimes but since PH plays as awful as possible vs tony G he can just pot it each street and PH c/cs 3 streets/170BBs with 2ndpair on a board where he beats nothing (he even had the semibluff blocker)

people lie to one another constantly in poker games, this is no different. Phil was absolutely ******ED to believe what tony was saying.

Tony chases the guy telling him to gtfo and retire and PH says: "Can you believe it, he lied about his hand", it's so sad that he is more upset about getting outsmarted lol.

LOL WTF?
Hellmuth is known to berate and disrespect players after a hand he loses, and yet Tony G gets crap for doing it when he wins. It might sting more when Tony says it but you cannot call poker a gentleman's game or Hellmuth "pure class" and yet he is yelling and calling players idiots. If you are breaking etiquette and yelling at players you have no right to say it is wrong when people do the same to you, even if you did lose the hand.

Joe Hachem
Patrik Antonius
Durrrr
Ziigmund
All of these players win and lose with class. That is the etiquette for you.

Yeah Joe Hachem was a real class act when he couldn't digest the loss and a couple of minutes later told Jennifer Tilly she bet less than she should and he would snap call an all in, even though no one asked, which was bullsh*t btw. There was %0 chance he calls with top two on a paired board with turn min-raise.

Tony is terrible. Just terrible. If you think his antics are entertaining, go work at a daycare - you will be in heaven.

even though most children are whiny crybabies like helmuth, they simply can't insult him with the same zing that tony can.

Tony is good for the game. He's a rich amateur who loves playing and entertaining himself. You get the straddles, blind bets, calling re-raises with Jack-3...and the antics. It's a very fair trade for a pro. He's not backing out of flips. He's not colluding or effecting multi-way pots. He's going to bring a lot of his gamesmanship and such to the table though.

PH is a terrible reprsentitive for a pro gambler playing ettiquette and class police on the rich playboy gambler looking to entertain himself and give great action. Good for Phil he isn't a pro gambler but lol @ all the people jumping to protect the fake pro from the guy who basically embraces games being built around him. Tony is what the game is supposed to be about recreational players having fun as long as they aren't cheating and pros taking their great action not some idiot publicity machine telling everybody how to act. Pros who have made their living gambling not just clicking buttons during the boom or selling crappy dvd's realize this.

I don't know how to correct it sir, but you have shown the wrong end of the horse.

The specific part that makes this an angle, if you ask me, was when Tony G said "you can check the tapes, I didn't look."

In my view that's the only part that steps over the line. Not sure what to think really.

LOL how is that any different than saying "I didn't look" or "You all saw me not look" or showing his cards to Hachem to "prove" that he didn't look?

Because at that point it isn't a silly comment in a hand that could be anything, it's a flat out gambling lie when you are specifically telling someone you are being honest. IMO It means "his word" is no good because he could be lying to you at anytime. Meaning if he borrows 50k from you and says he'll pay back tomorrow, he might laugh at you on the phone tomorrow and say "haha, I can't believe you fell for that trick!"

Too bad Hellmuth didn't take him up immediately on "you can check the tape."

Regardless, I enjoy watching the Hellmuth is losing saga, and enjoyed watching this happen. But Hellmuth handled this with class, as rare as that is, even though he got fooled and bullied.

Carnivore telling the truth ITT.

Bike time Phil!

I lol'd so hard watching this.

I'm a huge poker fan and I don't love or hate PH or Tony G. They're both entertaining, especially when together. I think this situation is so much different than a normal cash game. This is TV entertainment (Just like T.G. said). For PH to believe him after all the needling Tony G. gave him up to that point, was very gullible at the least. I actually find it hard to believe that PH believed him. I think he's calling with AJ on the button anyway. Tony G had already called many of Phil's opening raises light. I think PH thought T.G. would shove with a lot of aces and probably all pairs. When he saw he was dominated, it was an easy way for PH to save face. We all know he's quick to make excuses (Yes, even the new PH) and jumps at the any chance to do so.
The exit interview by Tony G. was the best I've seen since Kara Scott's interview of Huck Seed during this year's ESPN 2 live broadcast.. 2 opposite sides of the spectrum but great nonetheless. Tony G. was a bit hard on Phil but Phil brought a coach!!! Are you kidding me? It's against the rules to be coached during the game, so let's get real. Phil brought Layne Flack to the game so Flack could get some exposure and Phil would get some extra attention at the same time. Tony G. is not a dummy and knows that too, so he gave both of them a little extra attention on the way out. I admit I did felt a bit sorry for Phil Helmuth, but he's a big boy, he'll be just fine. Besides, he basically made his career off of the berating of 100's of players. Bottom line, we all love seeing both Phil and Tony G for the same reason.. QUALITY ENTERTAINMENT!! I WANT A HEADS UP GRUDGE MATCH!!!!!!!!!

Actually its more of a angle shoot ask the player if he looked then lying you didnt look. I would have like to see Tony though do this little better. Few things were missing like he didnt bring any Bike with him wich was dissapointed. If you look at Tony over the years and how he has destroyed players after winning pots he has actually soften over the years in his bullying. I think mister G needs to rethink his act a little work on it better for our entertainmeant, sry G you need to take it to next level not go back few levels.

I've always liked Tony G, no matter what he did. Against Ralph "the russian", the amateur (same show), Hellmuth, Devilfish, etc etc. I've always managed to see past 'the evil' and appreciate what I, and many others, think is so great/funny about him. But this time, I got a mouthful of bad taste. I didn't like this at all. Actually, it kinda made me sad, thinking - wtf Tony, did you really have to?
Anyway, this helped me some though. You definitly have a point. Great post, as far as I'm concerned!

hahaha <3

this x 1000

I'm sure Phil will get over a little bullying from the G.

after what phil did to pittman in 03? and dragomir.... i think phil deserves anything he gets at the table, tony just gave the fans of the show what they want. We all love to see lose/get trashed and you cant deny you dont.