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11-11-2009 , 02:32 PM
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Originally Posted by JohanNorseman
Some of you said Gold didn't deserve his ME win, but actually he did. He was coached by Johnny Chan to play aggressive and bluff big, and that's exactly what you need to do to win the ME.

Cada on the other hand got extremely lucky. He does play aggressive, but he plays aggressive in a way that is extremely inefficient and weak, but fortunately for him he sucked out every single time he made dumb aggressive plays.

Cada should have been that player who played too bad/aggressive and went out early, but poker rewards bad play a lot of the time.
So true.....Gold may have ran good, but I don't remember him sucking out like this over and over. I don't think Gold is that great at poker or anything, but he earned the win more than Cada.
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11-11-2009 , 02:33 PM
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Originally Posted by marek_heinz
Pretty much all of his hands on the FT were so standard, even the AJ (you dont raise/fold AJ for 20bb ffs), he just got coolered and got there
Okay, well I fold that cuz it's for 20 bbs and that is still a lot and AJ is definitely behind there.
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11-11-2009 , 02:37 PM
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Originally Posted by mxp2004
I don't think I could disagree more. No comparison to last year. Eastgate, Demidov, and Phillips all deserved to be there at the end. Plus, they all played some incredible poker at the final table, and that made the drama real. For each of them, you could say "well played, well deserved." Not so sure that I could mutter either phrase for Moon or Cada.
No kidding....last year's final table was soooo much better. Guys were actually making tough lay downs (and were right, too!). This year's table was filled w/ awful calls and bad lay downs (even Ivey).

Sauot probably deserved this thing. I don't think he was ever in a bad spot or behind in a big hand.
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11-11-2009 , 02:38 PM
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Originally Posted by marek_heinz
Pretty much all of his hands on the FT were so standard, even the AJ (you dont raise/fold AJ for 20bb ffs), he just got coolered and got there
All this. Everyone in this thread is being ridiculously results-oriented.
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11-11-2009 , 02:38 PM
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Originally Posted by marek_heinz
Pretty much all of his hands on the FT were so standard, even the AJ (you dont raise/fold AJ for 20bb ffs), he just got coolered and got there
Nope, actually like all of his hands were non-standard. Others already mentioned the hands but... Cada shoved his entire stack preflop with 22, 33, 99 etc... in situations that did not need to be pushes. Even if Saout was reraising a lot, Cada had plenty of chips to wait for a better spot. His worst shove IMO, aside from the 22, 33 donk shoves and the AJ suicide win, was the 99 vs QJ. Why the **** would he want to race his entire ME with Moon, unless he isn't good enough to grind him down? He's actually lucky Moon turned over QJ, because that call by any other player would guarantee a monster hand or AT LEAST 1010.

If we see Cada in another final table, I guarantee he will dble up as many people as possible and bust out 9th - 7th, unless he miracles again.
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11-11-2009 , 02:39 PM
Epically bad attempt here by me. Don't have photoshop so It's a MS paint!!!

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11-11-2009 , 02:41 PM
It doesn't matter what anyone thinks. This guy is only 21 and has already won the WSOP Main Event. Even if he did play bad, don't you think that he will learn from his mistakes and become a very good poker player? He's only 21, he won the ME, he has over $8 million and all he will do now is play poker, he can only get better from here on out. I wasn't impressed with his play, I'm sure he'll be the first to admit it too but the fact remains that he will only get better.
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11-11-2009 , 02:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Scarface53
He's only 21, he won the ME, he has over $8 million
2 million is all he gets after taxes and backers AFAIK.
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11-11-2009 , 02:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Scarface53
It doesn't matter what anyone thinks. This guy is only 21 and has already won the WSOP Main Event. Even if he did play bad, don't you think that he will learn from his mistakes and become a very good poker player? He's only 21, he won the ME, he has over $8 million and all he will do now is play poker, he can only get better from here on out. I wasn't impressed with his play, I'm sure he'll be the first to admit it too but the fact remains that he will only get better.
In terms of tournament FT play yes. But if he plays at a cash game I want to be there.
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11-11-2009 , 02:44 PM
It just sucked to watch the 2 players shoving all in constantly with the worst hands ended up as the final 2.

There was barely any "amazing" or "sick reads" like at last year's FT. It was a donk shove fest, and Cada got his lottery ticket punched. Whether he's a great pro or not, he luckboxed the FT.
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11-11-2009 , 02:51 PM
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Originally Posted by JohanNorseman
His worst shove IMO, aside from the 22, 33 donk shoves and the AJ suicide win, was the 99 vs QJ. Why the **** would he want to race his entire ME with Moon, unless he isn't good enough to grind him down? He's actually lucky Moon turned over QJ, because that call by any other player would guarantee a monster hand or AT LEAST 1010.
I'm pretty sure he had Moon covered by a good bit on that hand and he seemed to be waiting for Moon to do something stupid and Moon obliged.

If Cada was the moron people seem to want him to be, he doubles Moon up on the first heads-up hand ESPN showed where Moon held QQ and Cada 99 - but he didn't do that. Yes, he lost a big-ish pot but when Moon seemed so interested in the hand, Cada went into pot-control mode.
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11-11-2009 , 03:00 PM
Some of you people need to understand that we play poker against a RANGE OF HANDS not the actual ****ing hand the guy had at that time...

Almost all his plays where standard and +$EV, though very aggresive and high variance.
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11-11-2009 , 03:23 PM
i love how people think 21 year olds can play he got lucky and so did eastgate... putting that aside both of them can outplay moneymaker, yang and gold
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11-11-2009 , 03:52 PM
Ridiculous to say that Joe Cada is not an exceptional player. First of all, he has been doing this (QUITE SUCCESSFULLY) for years.... playing higher stakes than 98% of the people on this forumn. Second -- THEY ONLY SHOW EDITED HANDS OF A 17 HOUR FINAL TABLE AND 5 HOUR HEADS UP TABLE. You think they're going to show all the hands where he outplayed someone when they have to show 9 bust outs in 2 hours? Don't rush to judgment -- there's a reason that he made it that far. Yes, he sucked out on 2 all ins, so he got lucky there - IT HAPPENS!!! You think Ivey NEVER sucks out? And for those criticizing the 99 all in.... He DIDN'T CALL IT OFF. Darvin Moon called off... what, 65 BB with QJ suited????

Cada is as good as any player that's won it this decade. No contest.
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11-11-2009 , 03:58 PM
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Originally Posted by kaytor
Some of you people need to understand that we play poker against a RANGE OF HANDS not the actual ****ing hand the guy had at that time...

Almost all his plays where standard and +$EV, though very aggresive and high variance.

YOU play poker against a RANGE OF HANDS, but some of us make soul reads and play actually against our opponents hand. Either way, no way he wasn't way behind Shulman's hand there...no Fing way in the uinverse. Also to put the tournament on the line against a donk like Moon with nothing but a 55/45 situation is soooo epically stupid. This is why people think he deserved to lose.
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11-11-2009 , 04:25 PM
Lol results based thinking, the only possibly bad play was the AJ, calling off against such a tight player as Shulman (can't believe they didn't show his 3-bet/fold with AK) but given the stacks whether he has equity against shulman's range (don't have pokerstove OTC). The 22 push was completely standard BvB OOP against saout who was three betting wide. The 33 push was also standard as Shulman was playing like a nit, he had so much fold equity that the push was greatly +EV. Are you saying instead we should play like moon and gold and call off 25BBs with KJ?
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11-11-2009 , 04:35 PM
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Originally Posted by ScottyShuffle
lol the biggest laydown Cada made was the AQ heads up vs Moon and it was the only hand he was actually ahead in!

short sweet and to the point!

every time he was called he was behind and when he tried to make a sick laydown for a change he was wrong again.

probably by far the luckiest final table effort i have ever seen donktastic. 100% donktastic but like said above 21year olds are certainly allowed to donk out and be results oriented at least one time.
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11-11-2009 , 04:36 PM
I guess we'll have to agree to disagree.

Much like I think the Germans discovered San Diego in 1902 and that the meaning of San Diego is a "Whale's Vagina." Again, we'll just have to agree to disagree...
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11-11-2009 , 04:51 PM
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Originally Posted by JohanNorseman
In terms of tournament FT play yes. But if he plays at a cash game I want to be there.
he's a winning 25/50 reg afaik

He got lucky but obv he played good, imo Antoine deserved a win though.
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11-11-2009 , 05:04 PM
He was the best and luckiest player to win the main event. He is a solid player, but he luck sacked the whole thing.

Saout played the best.
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11-11-2009 , 05:04 PM
Lol at guy saying "Best winner of this decade". Carlos Mortenson?, Chris Ferguson?, Greg Raymer? Chris Ferguson has made more final tables this decade then Joe Cada will make in his entire existence.

Congrats to Joe. But I wouldnt be surprised if he went 20 years before making another final table.
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11-11-2009 , 05:08 PM
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Originally Posted by g1 all in
i love how people think 21 year olds can play he got lucky and so did eastgate... putting that aside both of them can outplay moneymaker, yang and gold
I love how u think 21 year olds can't play
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11-11-2009 , 05:11 PM
Read what I said. AS GOOD AS. Not the Best. Check out his online stats before you start saying how he's not. Also, No **** those people have made more FT than Cada... he's 21 and at his first WSOP..... just ignore the Sunday Million/2nd chance/200k... etc, events that he's won. Ignore the fact he's been a CONSISTENT 5k HU SNG player since he's been playing online...

And are you saying Raymer didn't luck out on his win? THE SAME IS SAID OF HIM. ESPN ONLY SHOWS EDITED HANDS.... THAT'S ALL. You don't see the skill that ANY of these guys have. For people to say he's the luckiest ever is ridiculous. He got lucky in 2 pots. His AJ call WAS standard. Don't forget, your boy ferguson was in for his tournament needing a 2 outter also....
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11-11-2009 , 05:32 PM
I can't wait to buy his new book coming out, "How to Suck Out Like A WSOP ME Champion."

extremely lucky, but Jamie Gold was by far worse as far as over all play.
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11-11-2009 , 05:39 PM
I think he was spun out of his mind through out the whole FT. How else is he the only one all up beat and peppy after 17 hours straight?? Not to mention his jaw was no longer on the floor. It was moving from right to left and his eyes were darting everywhere. Meth ft-wsop-w!!!
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