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04-21-2008 , 11:07 PM
I like leading flop for close to pot on the flop.

as played I think you should def. fold turn, and plz fold that river. As for what range <67, sets,horribly played overpair, .....better hands>. If you actually folded the best hand I will eat my hat.
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04-21-2008 , 11:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Ditch Digger
Do you want to die? I'll take the under on the 100 hours a week.
me too, and I've probably been closer than anyone else. you could probably do it for a week, a month maybe if someone held a gun to your head and you didnt run out of money in yer account. beyond that, not possible.
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04-22-2008 , 01:13 AM
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Originally Posted by lacky
me too, and I've probably been closer than anyone else. you could probably do it for a week, a month maybe if someone held a gun to your head and you didnt run out of money in yer account. beyond that, not possible.
Yeah, you are a beast and accustomed to the crazy hours. I actually think 100 hours of "work" is very attainable. Sweating a better player, posting hands, talking about hands, etc. could easily equate to 20 hours a week for somebody really devoted to getting better.
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04-22-2008 , 01:31 AM
it's important to remember to work 'smart' rather than 'hard'.
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04-22-2008 , 01:50 AM
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Originally Posted by snakekilla88
I like leading flop for close to pot on the flop.

as played I think you should def. fold turn, and plz fold that river. As for what range <67, sets,horribly played overpair, .....better hands>. If you actually folded the best hand I will eat my hat.
I agree with all of this. There really aren't that many cards you want to see on the river that will actually help against a reasonable players EP limp range. So, you are likely way behind with little to no chance of improving.
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04-22-2008 , 04:29 AM
18/13/7.7 seems solid af by street -> 7/inf/3.0
original raiser seemed pretty solid as well.

Poker Stars $0.50/$1.00 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
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Hero (SB): $109.10
BB: $100.90
UTG: $170.10
MP: $95.35
CO: $100.00
BTN: $318.55

Pre Flop: Hero is SB with 9 9
2 folds, CO raises to $4, BTN calls $4, Hero calls $3.50, 1 fold

Flop: ($13.00) 4 2 7 (3 players)
Hero checks, CO checks, BTN bets $9, Hero calls $9, CO folds

Turn: ($31.00) 6 (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $21, Hero...
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04-22-2008 , 04:37 AM
20/4/1.4
Turn OK?
River - Check/call; Check/fold; Good card to block river?

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BTN: $27.90
SB: $158.55
BB: $149.30
Hero (UTG): $235.20
MP: $90.50
CO: $289.05

Pre Flop: Hero is UTG with A A
Hero raises to $4, 1 fold, CO calls $4, 1 fold, SB calls $3.50, BB calls $3

Flop: ($16.00) 8 Q 5 (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $11, CO calls $11, SB folds, BB folds

Turn: ($38.00) 7 (2 players)
Hero bets $22, CO raises to $44, Hero calls $22

River: ($126.00) 9 (2 players)
Hero...
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04-22-2008 , 09:18 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by MikeMcQ1
18/13/7.7 seems solid af by street -> 7/inf/3.0
original raiser seemed pretty solid as well.

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Hero (SB): $109.10
BB: $100.90
UTG: $170.10
MP: $95.35
CO: $100.00
BTN: $318.55

Pre Flop: Hero is SB with 9 9
2 folds, CO raises to $4, BTN calls $4, Hero calls $3.50, 1 fold

Flop: ($13.00) 4 2 7 (3 players)
Hero checks, CO checks, BTN bets $9, Hero calls $9, CO folds

Turn: ($31.00) 6 (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $21, Hero...
He's leaving you with about a pot sized river bet left in your stack. What's that tell you?
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04-22-2008 , 09:22 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by MikeMcQ1
20/4/1.4
Turn OK?
River - Check/call; Check/fold; Good card to block river?

Poker Stars $0.50/$1.00 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked

BTN: $27.90
SB: $158.55
BB: $149.30
Hero (UTG): $235.20
MP: $90.50
CO: $289.05

Pre Flop: Hero is UTG with A A
Hero raises to $4, 1 fold, CO calls $4, 1 fold, SB calls $3.50, BB calls $3

Flop: ($16.00) 8 Q 5 (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $11, CO calls $11, SB folds, BB folds

Turn: ($38.00) 7 (2 players)
Hero bets $22, CO raises to $44, Hero calls $22

River: ($126.00) 9 (2 players)
Hero...
Readless I jam the turn and am happy about the results about 80% of the time. Oops, I just noticed how deep you both are. I would want some sort of read, history, anything before making a decision there.
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04-22-2008 , 11:27 AM
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Originally Posted by cha59
He's leaving you with about a pot sized river bet left in your stack. What's that tell you?
That he's leaving enough on the river to bluff with?

I'm mean, you can't assume he has a monster just cause his standard size bets happen to leave a pot size river bet. The problem here is that this guy never seems to slow down once he's vpip. So, that makes 99 very difficult to play oop. For that reason, I just 3-bet it pre. I realize his calling range basically makes it a bluff. But it still has SD value and you'll avoid this very difficult spot till you have a better read.

As played, I call and hope he slows down. If no spade, 5, or 8 peel I would seriously consider stacking off here. I don't know what his attempt to steal is obv. But, it's >13% and based on his AF, he still has close to 100% of his BTN raising range getting to the turn here.
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04-22-2008 , 11:30 AM
AA hand, I'd consider c/fing the river. It's a pretty bad river card. It really depends if you think he'll keep value betting KQ here. If you're really not sure, I guess I blocking bet is good. But, a warning, you'll be super tempted to call his stupid min raise again.
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04-22-2008 , 12:42 PM
Devin, 99 hand, the villain is actually the Pre-Flop caller, not the original raiser. And I'm pretty sure I had 3-bet CO and/or Bttn enough pre already that doing it here felt uncomfortable at the time. Does that make sense?

Last edited by MikeMcQ1; 04-22-2008 at 12:59 PM.
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04-22-2008 , 01:12 PM
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Originally Posted by DevinLake
That he's leaving enough on the river to bluff with?

I'm mean, you can't assume he has a monster just cause his standard size bets happen to leave a pot size river bet. The problem here is that this guy never seems to slow down once he's vpip. So, that makes 99 very difficult to play oop. For that reason, I just 3-bet it pre. I realize his calling range basically makes it a bluff. But it still has SD value and you'll avoid this very difficult spot till you have a better read.

As played, I call and hope he slows down. If no spade, 5, or 8 peel I would seriously consider stacking off here. I don't know what his attempt to steal is obv. But, it's >13% and based on his AF, he still has close to 100% of his BTN raising range getting to the turn here.
If you think he's bluffing you should be prepared to call the third barrel/stack off on most rivers because you'll be facing it most of the time from this guy imo. If not, I think it might be time to cut and run. Does that make any sense?
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04-22-2008 , 01:36 PM
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Originally Posted by cha59
He's leaving you with about a pot sized river bet left in your stack. What's that tell you?
nothing. at all. assuming some reg at .5/1 is consciously setting up anything for a later street is lighting money on fire.
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04-22-2008 , 01:58 PM
I think Cha was really just asking me "what do his bets tell me?" specifically about this player and if I am prepared to felt 99 there. My answer is exactly what Devin and FD say..."nothing at all." Because I thought he could possibly be bluffing/semi-bluffing, and he could have a made hand like a set, 2-pair, overpair. But he's leveraging the turn pretty hard with one last bet to come and it will be really expensive to find out.

That's why I'm asking about the hand if you think I should see a river or jam now or as cha says "cut and run." Is there really any turn card I'm happy to see except the 9?

So Devin and FD, you are check/calling the river?
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04-22-2008 , 02:20 PM
On the AA hand check-fold and bet-fold are close. I don't like check-call or bet-call (though Devin's right and the minraise is damn hard to fold to.)

I don't think he's likely to bluff. I think he's way more likely to call with a Q than value bet with it.

The turn sorta looks more like a Q to me than a 6 and there are more Q hands that make sense too, but he does have a lot of 2 pair hands in his range so betting could be valuetowning yourself.
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04-22-2008 , 05:09 PM
99 hand, I thought was a HU hand.

I'd be less likely to 3-bet this now, but still would some % of the time. Given your history, I'd call most times.

I don't know if it changes a tonne how to play the hand post flop though, given he still seems to be overly aggressive. I think I said before to call and hope he shuts down. But, this is bad. Someone pointed out, and rightly so, that you should either fold the turn or call both streets. It's hard to say which is correct, without being at the table.
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04-23-2008 , 02:04 AM
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Hero (SB): $231.05
BB: $235.00
UTG: $397.55
MP: $201.45
CO: $236.40
BTN: $194.00

Pre Flop: Hero is SB with A K
UTG calls $2, 3 folds, Hero raises to $10, BB calls $8, 1 fold

Flop: ($22.00) A 7 2 (2 players)
Hero bets $12, BB raises to $34, Hero calls $22

Turn: ($90.00) Q (2 players)
Hero checks, BB bets $46, Hero calls $46

River: ($182.00) 8 (2 players)
Hero checks, BB bets $145 all in, Hero folds


villain is 17/16 over decent sample. we haven't tangled mucho.

i thought this was kind of standard till i thought about my turn play. i think that he is betting the river too much after the c/r and turn bet to make a turn call profitable. thoughts ?
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04-23-2008 , 05:00 AM
23/8/2.3 118 hands....
earlier I check/raised him in a 3bet pot with TT on a 78cc5 baord and he had AA. He's MrTeddyKGB or somn.

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UTG: $175.55
CO: $178.25
BTN: $133.60
Hero (SB): $207.60
BB: $17.20

Pre Flop: Hero is SB with J J
UTG raises to $2, 1 fold, BTN calls $2, Hero raises to $10, 1 fold, UTG calls $8, 1 fold

Flop: ($23.00) 3 A T (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets $14, Hero calls $14

Turn: ($51.00) J (2 players)
Hero bets $35, UTG calls $35

River: ($121.00) K (2 players)
Hero...
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04-23-2008 , 10:52 AM
i would raise more PF. my default is 3bb + 1bb for being OOP (except when hu) then +1bb for each limper, so we have a raise of 6bb or $12.

i would def cbet this flop, we have impetus and have shown a fair amount of strength from our preflop line. at first i did not like your turn bet, but i think it's ok. if we c/r we represent a huge hand when we only have a really big hand, our line doesn't look that believable. as played i would go ahead and donk the river for like 71 or something. i can't think of a single Q mrteddykgb would have in his range at this point (i don't think he limp/calls AQ, he might tho)
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04-23-2008 , 11:06 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by MikeMcQ1
20/4/1.4
Turn OK?
River - Check/call; Check/fold; Good card to block river?

Poker Stars $0.50/$1.00 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
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BTN: $27.90
SB: $158.55
BB: $149.30
Hero (UTG): $235.20
MP: $90.50
CO: $289.05

Pre Flop: Hero is UTG with A A
Hero raises to $4, 1 fold, CO calls $4, 1 fold, SB calls $3.50, BB calls $3

Flop: ($16.00) 8 Q 5 (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $11, CO calls $11, SB folds, BB folds

Turn: ($38.00) 7 (2 players)
Hero bets $22, CO raises to $44, Hero calls $22

River: ($126.00) 9 (2 players)
Hero...
i don't think this guy is minraising with Q/x unless it is Q7 (highly unlikely). on the turn i think most of his range is stuff like 86/65. i could also see 87 and 75 being in there although now i feel like i'm being morbid.

i almost wouldn't mind 3betting the turn and seeing what happens

i would check/fold the river. however, i expect him to check behind a decent % of the time.

RESULTS?!!!!!!!!!!!!
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04-23-2008 , 11:08 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by MikeMcQ1
18/13/7.7 seems solid af by street -> 7/inf/3.0
original raiser seemed pretty solid as well.

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Hero (SB): $109.10
BB: $100.90
UTG: $170.10
MP: $95.35
CO: $100.00
BTN: $318.55

Pre Flop: Hero is SB with 9 9
2 folds, CO raises to $4, BTN calls $4, Hero calls $3.50, 1 fold

Flop: ($13.00) 4 2 7 (3 players)
Hero checks, CO checks, BTN bets $9, Hero calls $9, CO folds

Turn: ($31.00) 6 (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $21, Hero...
this seems like a clear fold. we're really only beating draws (i guess there are a lot of draws) and 88. unless we have an idea that he is betting 2 streets with his draws, i'd fold and be happy about it.
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04-23-2008 , 01:24 PM
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Originally Posted by bengiec
Poker Stars $1/$2 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
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Hero (SB): $231.05
BB: $235.00
UTG: $397.55
MP: $201.45
CO: $236.40
BTN: $194.00

Pre Flop: Hero is SB with A K
UTG calls $2, 3 folds, Hero raises to $10, BB calls $8, 1 fold

Flop: ($22.00) A 7 2 (2 players)
Hero bets $12, BB raises to $34, Hero calls $22

Turn: ($90.00) Q (2 players)
Hero checks, BB bets $46, Hero calls $46

River: ($182.00) 8 (2 players)
Hero checks, BB bets $145 all in, Hero folds


villain is 17/16 over decent sample. we haven't tangled mucho.

i thought this was kind of standard till i thought about my turn play. i think that he is betting the river too much after the c/r and turn bet to make a turn call profitable. thoughts ?
fold the flop vs this dude, he's only flatting small/medium pairs out of the blinds with those #s and he's not bluffing often enough to make it worth continuing.
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04-23-2008 , 01:29 PM
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Originally Posted by futuredoc85
fold the flop vs this dude, he's only flatting small/medium pairs out of the blinds with those #s and he's not bluffing often enough to make it worth continuing.
If the flop was say A J 9 would 3betting all-in or calling he cr and jamming it on a blanc turn be ok?
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04-23-2008 , 02:38 PM
if he's really 17/16 over a decent sample he doesnt call anything suited out of the blinds so no
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