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03-17-2008 , 07:45 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by sence25
Hey you guys, I'm running fairly well, not at last due to your advice I suppose

An interesting hand from today, I'm unsure about my handstrength in unraised pots, how is just calling the riverraise?
Villain is a pretty passive donkey kong, I have been pretty aggro lately.

Full Tilt Poker $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
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UTG: $56.30
MP: $49.70
CO: $77.10
BTN: $68.85
SB: $17.95
Hero (BB): $54.10

Pre Flop: Hero is BB with 6 5
UTG calls $0.50, 1 fold, CO calls $0.50, 2 folds, Hero checks

Flop: ($1.75) K 2 7 (3 players)
Hero bets $1.20, UTG folds, CO calls $1.20

Turn: ($4.15) 8 (2 players)
Hero bets $2.80, CO calls $2.80

River: ($9.75) 2 (2 players)
Hero bets $7, CO raises to $14, Hero calls $7
i'd bet more on the flop and turn. river is interesting cuz donks'll have A2 here a lot, or have a K or pp and think "omgz i have 2pr!". calling the raise seems fine tho, since your flush is so small.
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03-17-2008 , 08:29 PM
Thanks for comments, how much would you guys be betting?
BTW, A2 read was perfect, that's why I got result oriented and thought I probably missed some value there.
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03-17-2008 , 10:32 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by sence25
Thanks for comments, how much would you guys be betting?
BTW, A2 read was perfect, that's why I got result oriented and thought I probably missed some value there.
I read the hand and was thinking what Devin & Dave said. They beat me to it, so I'll answer this part - I like to bet 85 - 100% of the pot with a small made flush on the turn because you really want to charge the bigger club draws and milk the hands you are crushing.
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03-18-2008 , 06:54 AM
the 4bettor is 23/12 3bet% only 2 over 1k hands. The cold caller is loose-passive.

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SB ($71.40)
Hero ($100)
UTG ($110.15)
CO ($62.05)
BTN ($43.10)

Dealt to Hero QQ

UTG raises to $3, call, fold, fold, Hero raises to $15.50, UTG raises to $49, fold, fold,

UTG wins $34.50
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03-18-2008 , 06:56 AM
Karp it all depends on your image. If he could conceivably think that you're squeezing and 4-bet AK a lot of the time or JJ like any of the time you gotta stick it in.
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03-18-2008 , 06:58 AM
Main villain is 25/20/1.2 over 400 hands. Hero's image in this table is solid.

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SB ($95)
BB ($100)
Hero ($123.35)
UTG+1 ($28.05)
CO ($126.10)
BTN ($72.80)

Dealt to Hero KA

Hero raises to $3.50, fold, call, call, fold, fold,

FLOP ($12) A48

Hero bets $10, CO raises to $28, BTN folds, Hero?
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03-18-2008 , 06:59 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by futuredoc85
Karp it all depends on your image. If he could conceivably think that you're squeezing and 4-bet AK a lot of the time or JJ like any of the time you gotta stick it in.
Forgot to mention sorry. This is the 1ts hand today.
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03-18-2008 , 10:47 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by K䲰䮥n
Main villain is 25/20/1.2 over 400 hands. Hero's image in this table is solid.

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SB ($95)
BB ($100)
Hero ($123.35)
UTG+1 ($28.05)
CO ($126.10)
BTN ($72.80)

Dealt to Hero KA

Hero raises to $3.50, fold, call, call, fold, fold,

FLOP ($12) A48

Hero bets $10, CO raises to $28, BTN folds, Hero?
I think this is a fine flop to stick it in vs this guy.
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03-19-2008 , 04:28 AM
Poker Stars $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
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UTG: $17.30
Hero (MP): $25.00
CO: $20.00
BTN: $30.85
SB: $30.10
BB: $21.70

Pre Flop: Hero is MP with K K
1 fold, Hero raises to $0.75, CO calls $0.75, 3 folds

Flop: ($1.85) 5 J 8 (2 players)
Hero bets $1.50, CO raises to $3, Hero calls $1.50

Turn: ($7.85) 2 (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $2.50, Hero raises to $21.25 all in, CO calls $13.75 all in

River: ($40.35) 7 (2 players - 2 are all in)


Is there a better way to play this hand? Besides making it $1 pf. I felt he had either an AJish/set hand (with it being 80% AJish 20% set cause board is pretty dry to raise a set).

Also, if I had AJ here instead of KK, how much worse is turn c/r?
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03-19-2008 , 05:13 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by cha59
I think this is a fine flop to stick it in vs this guy.
Why?
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03-19-2008 , 06:25 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sykes
Also, if I had AJ here instead of KK, how much worse is turn c/r?
Interesting question, probably not much because QQ seems to be the only hand KK beats and AJ doesn't and he virtually never has QQ here.
Though holding AJ makes him holding AJ far less likely.
If I don't 3 bet the flop(which must be because a huge part of his range are sets), then I probably just flat the turn getting those odds and the chance to avoid to play for stacks.
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03-19-2008 , 06:34 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sykes
Poker Stars $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
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UTG: $17.30
Hero (MP): $25.00
CO: $20.00
BTN: $30.85
SB: $30.10
BB: $21.70

Pre Flop: Hero is MP with K K
1 fold, Hero raises to $0.75, CO calls $0.75, 3 folds

Flop: ($1.85) 5 J 8 (2 players)
Hero bets $1.50, CO raises to $3, Hero calls $1.50

Turn: ($7.85) 2 (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $2.50, Hero raises to $21.25 all in, CO calls $13.75 all in

River: ($40.35) 7 (2 players - 2 are all in)


Is there a better way to play this hand? Besides making it $1 pf. I felt he had either an AJish/set hand (with it being 80% AJish 20% set cause board is pretty dry to raise a set).

Also, if I had AJ here instead of KK, how much worse is turn c/r?
3bet flop, bet turn. easy game.
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03-19-2008 , 09:16 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pudge714
Cha,
I would three bet pre, but flatting is okay. I would donk the flop so the fish can call with gutters and stuff and fold is the 21/10 raises.
I agree with all of this, although I don't mind calling preflop to keep the fish in the pot. Flop, I definitely lead.
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03-19-2008 , 09:31 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by K䲰䮥n
Why?
Because you have top pair top kicker vs a lag on a flush draw board. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong, but I think he's raising you with a lot of hands that you want to get the money in now against, rather than peeling a turn.

What do you think his range is Karp?
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03-20-2008 , 12:37 AM
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BB: $11.95
UTG: $25.00
MP: $29.15
Hero (CO): $25.00
BTN: $26.05
SB: $30.20

Pre Flop: Hero is CO with K 4
2 folds, Hero raises to $1, 1 fold, SB calls $0.90, 1 fold

Flop: ($2.25) K 5 3 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $1.50, SB calls $1.50

Turn: ($5.25) 7 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks

River: ($5.25) 9 (2 players)
SB bets $3.75, Hero raises to $12, SB folds


Is this horrendous? Maybe this was a tilt play, SB is a .. 80-100% VPIP with 0 PFR (that I've seen), we have previous history in the short time we played. I raised with AJ fired a cbet on Kxx board fired on Q turn and c/f a blank river. Pretty sure he had nothing though..

Also one other hand he had Q4 utg i had 22 in bb, flop came QQ4 i bet 1/2 pot, he called, turn 4, i checked, he bet min, i raised 4x (probably terrible) he 3 bet i folded he showed Q4...

I think there was one other hand. Anyways, so yea, he was pretty much on a2c and i think taking shots at me..
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03-20-2008 , 12:40 AM
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CO: $11.60
BTN: $24.65
SB: $30.15
Hero (BB): $36.15
UTG: $26.05
MP: $17.55

Pre Flop: Hero is BB with 9 A
1 fold, MP calls $0.25, 3 folds, Hero checks

Flop: ($0.60) 8 4 Q (2 players)
Hero checks, MP checks

Turn: ($0.60) 3 (2 players)
Hero checks, MP bets $0.25, Hero calls $0.25

River: ($1.10) A (2 players)
Hero checks, MP bets $0.75, Hero calls $0.75


Same villain. I wanted to c/r river to $2.5-3 for value but then I found out that I have no balls.
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03-20-2008 , 10:22 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sykes
Poker Stars $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

CO: $11.60
BTN: $24.65
SB: $30.15
Hero (BB): $36.15
UTG: $26.05
MP: $17.55

Pre Flop: Hero is BB with 9 A
1 fold, MP calls $0.25, 3 folds, Hero checks

Flop: ($0.60) 8 4 Q (2 players)
Hero checks, MP checks

Turn: ($0.60) 3 (2 players)
Hero checks, MP bets $0.25, Hero calls $0.25

River: ($1.10) A (2 players)
Hero checks, MP bets $0.75, Hero calls $0.75


Same villain. I wanted to c/r river to $2.5-3 for value but then I found out that I have no balls.
I raise this preflop with only one limper, although we're gonna be OOP if he calls I think we have to do this with A9s, just for value reasons.
I bet turn after flop got checked through.
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03-20-2008 , 06:13 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by cha59
Because you have top pair top kicker vs a lag on a flush draw board. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong, but I think he's raising you with a lot of hands that you want to get the money in now against, rather than peeling a turn.

What do you think his range is Karp?
Dont know if this one qualifies as LAG because of his aggression factor 1.2. Based on that and Hero's image I'm thinking that he is calling almost all Aces that we beat.

So my range for him was a set or a flush draw. Added with occasional AT-AQ but I'm still thinking that he'd just call the bet with those. So dunno 'bout this hand....
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03-21-2008 , 12:04 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by K䲰䮥n
Dont know if this one qualifies as LAG because of his aggression factor 1.2. Based on that and Hero's image I'm thinking that he is calling almost all Aces that we beat.

So my range for him was a set or a flush draw. Added with occasional AT-AQ but I'm still thinking that he'd just call the bet with those. So dunno 'bout this hand....
Well, I was thinking sets (which are the smallest part of his range), flush draws and AT - AK plus some combo draws & 2 pair hands. I think pushing here is fairly standard based on that, but the hand becomes difficult if you think his range is weighted more heavily towards the sets.

Does this range look reasonable to you?

Board: Ah 4h 8s
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 55.065% 50.52% 04.55% 34507 3108.00 { AdKs }
Hand 1: 44.935% 40.39% 04.55% 27587 3108.00 { 88, 44, ATs+, Ah9h, A8s, A4s, KhQh, KhJh, KhTh, Kh9h, Kh8h, Kh4h, QhJh, QhTh, Qh9h, Qh8h, JhTh, Jh9h, Jh8h, Th9h, Th8h, 9h8h, 8h7h, 8h6h, 7h6h, 7h5h, 6h5h, 5h3h, ATo+, A8o, A4o }

I think about the 1.2 aggression factor isn't all that low if he's playing lots of hands. I need to be convinced that shoving isn't good here. Shoving is putting him to the test to either make a bad decision or give up a large pot to you. I'd need a stronger read than his 1.2 to not want to shove.
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03-21-2008 , 03:15 PM
villain is a regular tag whom i have no history with. should i be pushing any flop here?

Poker Stars $1/$2 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
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BTN: $154.45
Hero (SB): $213.15
BB: $295.65
UTG: $123.00
MP: $104.40
CO: $588.05

Pre Flop: Hero is SB with A K
4 folds, Hero raises to $8, BB raises to $28, Hero raises to $77, BB calls $49

Flop: ($154.00) 3 8 5 (2 players)
Hero ?
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03-21-2008 , 03:34 PM
nooooooooooooo c/f

or else make me a list of a) worse hands that he'll call with and then b) better hands he will fold, and if it's longer than 0 maybe you can push
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03-21-2008 , 03:41 PM
dave,

This is ugly, but the only thing he folds to a push is AQ or AJ if those are even in his range here. I don't see how open pushing > craise. Unless he's a real oddball, hands like 22,44,66,77 aren't likely to be in his range.

I gotta get going, but think about some more options, like what happens if flop is check-check. What will your opponent think? And how does changing your play preflop affect things? What is your range for that 4-bet?

edit: cf is definitely looking fine especially considering the small 4bet size pre.

Y'all probably notice how 3 betting hands like AJ or AT can make things very tricky on the flop. 4 betting AK, especially AKo (not 4-bet shoving obv) often leads to similar spots.
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03-21-2008 , 04:17 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by futuredoc85
nooooooooooooo c/f

or else make me a list of a) worse hands that he'll call with and then b) better hands he will fold, and if it's longer than 0 maybe you can push
which hand are you referencing?
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03-21-2008 , 04:56 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by GtrHtr
which hand are you referencing?
Quote:
Originally Posted by dipstikdave
villain is a regular tag whom i have no history with. should i be pushing any flop here?

Poker Stars $1/$2 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

BTN: $154.45
Hero (SB): $213.15
BB: $295.65
UTG: $123.00
MP: $104.40
CO: $588.05

Pre Flop: Hero is SB with A K
4 folds, Hero raises to $8, BB raises to $28, Hero raises to $77, BB calls $49

Flop: ($154.00) 3 8 5 (2 players)
Hero ?
that one
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03-21-2008 , 06:55 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sykes
Poker Stars $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
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BB: $11.95
UTG: $25.00
MP: $29.15
Hero (CO): $25.00
BTN: $26.05
SB: $30.20

Pre Flop: Hero is CO with K 4
2 folds, Hero raises to $1, 1 fold, SB calls $0.90, 1 fold

Flop: ($2.25) K 5 3 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $1.50, SB calls $1.50

Turn: ($5.25) 7 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks

River: ($5.25) 9 (2 players)
SB bets $3.75, Hero raises to $12, SB folds


Is this horrendous? Maybe this was a tilt play, SB is a .. 80-100% VPIP with 0 PFR (that I've seen), we have previous history in the short time we played. I raised with AJ fired a cbet on Kxx board fired on Q turn and c/f a blank river. Pretty sure he had nothing though..

Also one other hand he had Q4 utg i had 22 in bb, flop came QQ4 i bet 1/2 pot, he called, turn 4, i checked, he bet min, i raised 4x (probably terrible) he 3 bet i folded he showed Q4...

I think there was one other hand. Anyways, so yea, he was pretty much on a2c and i think taking shots at me..
Versus the villain you are describing..I think TP is the nuts..and I don't care how many draws..I'll v-bet every street..overbet flop and pot the turn..I'm always surprised what these maniacs call with..

Also,..even if you lose a stack here..So, often you'll win it right back..just make sure to iso-raise this guy whenever you can..with a huge range..and in position..
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