Hi I'm not a new player I know how this business works but it really surprised me how this evaluated to a game which dont give me any fun. Few months ago I started to play 6 max hyper ko on pokerstars. And here are the results after 7000 tournaments and 140k hands.


As you can see Im 200k chips below all in ev. How many buy-ins have I lost due to this manipulated soft? You start with 500 chips, but I dont think its simply 400, isnt it? Every tournament Im 28-29 chips under ev. I know from spin&go theory that 25 chips translates to 5% ROI. So should I say that p* steal 5-6 % of my evpected winnings? I know its high variance type of tournament bla bla bla... but does it escuse this kind of things? If it is still poker, the maths of poker should work. But after those 7000 tournaments not only my intuition but all my experience proves that my money go to the other players in suspicious way. Maybe to losing players to keep them in a game? P* and other rooms cut drastically rakeback to prevent from cash outs. Is this the other way?
Key questions. Are there any reports from control bodies, players about poker softwares? Are you really sure that softs are not rigged? Its simply to do, its hard to keep playing when things like this happens.

Come back when you've actually played a sample OP, in spin and goes 10k is still a small sample, let alone 7k

I am right now 140k chips below EV in spins as well. I had periods in the past where i ran close to 800 buyins under EV as i played sngs. Don't take it for granted that only if you CAN play and have a longterm plan that things go exactly as planned.

Also try this thing out:

https://www.primedope.com/tournament...ce-calculator/

Come on man, you play the highest variance games there are and you're actually asking if it's the software? Come back when you play the same sample 100BB's deep with a slower structure.

I had to take a longer break. But I went back to the game and started to play the spins again. How does the soft treat me now?

I played spins a year, two years ago and I have never had a swing like this before. I know it's just barely over 500 spins, but I'm already 35.000 chips below ev! In combination with hypers I played few months ago we have a massacre!
I know that here are very active p* p.r. workers so I am directing my comments to minded and impartial forum members. P * is constantly changing its policy towards players. They simply segregate them into better and worse ones. Better gives smaller rake, weaker bigger. How is it possible in the European Union, where every entrepreneur must treat each client in the same way? If I go to the grocery store and have a certain sum of money, I will not get more or less food, just because I'm thicker or more hungry, etc. An entrepreneur must treat everyone equally, and p * treats everyone as they like! If they manipulate the return of rake, can anyone guarantee that they do not manipulate a game of poker in the same way? I did not pay any money for p * for around 5 years. Maybe this is the reason? We need money in circulation, so you can not only withdraw money because we will make you a pulp at the tables
You write: play more, you need a big sample - 10,000, 20000 tournaments. I lost some 200, 300bi only because of the software! This is incompatible with any mathematical intuition and "laws" that rule probability. If p * can not propose a game that does not guarantee a real reflection of the game, do not let it be called poker. Poker is not just a game in which full wins with a straight and a color with two pairs. Poker is also a game in which AA wins pre-flop with any hand in 85% of cases. Not in 80%, 81%, 83%, only in 85%. If P * can not guarantee it in a large enough sample, do not let this game be called poker! The appropriate authorities should look at them.

Someone has to run bad. I guess its you.

Don't blindly rely on all-in EV as displayed by PT4/HM2. Their EV calculation does not accurately reflect the actual game EVs due to card removal effects. Depending on your playstyle these lines can be expected to drift apart quite significantly, so this isn't necessarily down to just bad luck (or a rigged game).

Are you mocking?
Now its over 40000 chips after 600 spins.

Now I'm about 250000 chips below ev in about 8000 tournaments. So how many lost I buyins if I get 500 chips at the start of the game? Maybe 500? How does it count?
If this is not a scam then what is it? Each poker school teaches you to have 100BB on spin tournaments and if you understand something from this game, you will not go bankrupt. I lost at least 3 bankrolls only because of the software! And it is not that hm2 shows something wrong, because I see every hand in hm2! And I see what madness is happening on the tables. P * tells me, go away, we do not need players like you. We need money. But p * does it with fraud, and that is a crime!

I'm not mocking, HM2 EVs don't accurately reflect the actual in-game EVs. You might still be running bad, just don't take that for granted based on EV graphs.

No threads accusing sites of rigged software please